Examining models_naval tables and CA's ship model

**You_Guess_Who** · March 31, 2016, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by izzi

Hi guys, one question. What if the models_naval tables are just for everything that moves from the ship (guns and gun placement, animated things on deck, rigged and animated sequences: like sails, ropes, etc...)? I think that the static 3d models is defined in the "warscape_rigid_lod_tables" and its textures on "warscape_rigid_tables". I have been playing around a bit (with no succes, but I am close). But I need some help from you guys. I made a pack file where I put al the information (I think....

)needed to make ship. But as I am not really a master in modding and didn't use assembly kit to do it, only with PFM, I think that I made some (minor)errors. I made a copy of a ship (chiyodagata), and renamed it to "gunboat"(just for testing). I used a hex editor to rename it in "models_naval" tables. And much more defined in the db: warscape_rigid_tables, warscape_rigid_lod_tables, units_to_groupings_military_permissions_tables, units_tables, unit_stats_naval_tables, naval_uniforms_tables, cdir_unit_qualities_tables, building_units_allowed_tables. I attached the file.Attachment 335945

In Rome 2 and Attila, this is the case. Ships appearance uses variantmodels, like men.

In S2TW, Primergy has made a Bow Kobaya's appearance into a USS Monitor, but without changing its EFlines, floats, collision, etc. Try asking him.

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**izzi** · March 31, 2016, 11:23 AM

Did he had the use model_naval_tables? I will see if I can contact him.

**wangrin** · March 31, 2016, 12:06 PM

I have to reinstall jRuby first...
I didn't reinstall it after my computer crashed during windows 10 installation last summer.

**izzi** · March 31, 2016, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by wangrin

I have to reinstall jRuby first...
I didn't reinstall it after my computer crashed during windows 10 installation last summer.

Oh ok. No prob. I just have to wait for primergy's reply how he made the custom uss monitor. If I already know how to retexture the ships. That's already a big step for me. I already made custom copy ships with different materials and names (like the hull material).

**izzi** · March 31, 2016, 01:25 PM

Is there someone that knows what the shipsname_ao texture file is? If yes, how to create it?

**skillfultree** · November 04, 2016, 06:10 AM

What would it take to add cannons to the Red Seal Ship? Ive been looking for a way to do it but it seems awfully complicated for a beginner.

There is a mod on Steam Workshop that has that, but it changes many other naval aspects and i'd rather stay as close to vanilla as possible.

**izzi** · November 04, 2016, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by skillfultree

What would it take to add cannons to the Red Seal Ship? Ive been looking for a way to do it but it seems awfully complicated for a beginner.

There is a mod on Steam Workshop that has that, but it changes many other naval aspects and i'd rather stay as close to vanilla as possible.

It's really a tedious work. There is actually a converter (Taw made it), but's all in code. All the changes you make to a ship, has to be put in "models_naval_tables". But that table contains 3D geometry, so in code it's REALLY difficult (only minor changes). I am planning to investigate more in to this (for my mod), but that's really for a later time.

**rohan97** · February 20, 2017, 02:35 PM

Hello guys I would like to Disagree We it really depend on the sort of mod you want for Example i changed the bow projectiles to cannons And it worked My new Model (not finished Yet) can fire guns because of that now

**izzi** · February 20, 2017, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by rohan97

Hello guys I would like to Disagree We it really depend on the sort of mod you want for Example i changed the bow projectiles to cannons And it worked My new Model (not finished Yet) can fire guns because of that now

A lot of things have changed since. Guess that modeling ships is kind of possible now. You_Guess_Who, imported a ship from NTW to FOTS, only the 3d model has to be fixed. But it is possible. I have not yet looked in to that, as I am busy with my own mod. Later on I will look in to ship modeling more.

**Benjin** · September 08, 2023, 07:00 AM

Hey guys, thanks for all the useful info here! I'm going to make use of it to try to make some new models_naval dbs + artwork for ships in Age of Bronze. I'll post up my experience doing them here.

**Hunyadi** · January 30, 2024, 06:18 AM

Hi Everyone,

That is all great, thanks everyone who contributed,

I have a question, when it comes to deck definitions, (and it's more like related to later titles) there is a number that seems to correlate with height (y), basically it's -y when the deck is flat:
<piece id="39" something="0.0 1.0 0.0 -1.921">
<corner type="1" x="1.764" y="1.921" z="-8.411"/>
<corner type="1" x="1.764" y="1.921" z="-10.636"/>
<corner type="0" x="-1.792" y="1.921" z="-10.636"/>
</piece>

But in case of stairs e.g. it has some very odd value that I cannot deduce from the y
these are the deck triangles of a liburnian stair:

<piece id="55" something="0.0 0.7031283974647522 -0.7110629677772522 8.866555213928223">
<corner type="0" x="-1.792" y="1.921" z="14.369"/>
<corner type="1" x="-4.285" y="1.921" z="14.369"/>
<corner type="0" x="-4.285" y="4.251" z="16.673"/>

<piece id="54" something="0.0 0.7031283378601074 -0.7110629677772522 8.866554260253906">
<corner type="0" x="1.764" y="4.251" z="16.673"/>
<corner type="1" x="4.285" y="4.251" z="16.673"/>
<corner type="0" x="4.285" y="1.921" z="14.369"/>

Does anyone have any idea how it is calculated?

I think this is the reason why my marines cannot move from one deck to another and cannot attack/be attacked from certain parts of the deck,
although they are placed correctly.

Thanks in advance