CA support

[karamazovmm]

the damage done from the Rome 2 launch is clearly visible everywhere you look, or even if you don't look, people will just tap you in the shoulder in the middle of the street and say rome 2 sucks.

It wasn't what we were hoping, that is a mild way of putting that for some, there were clearly some design choices that didn't satisfy some people not mention the bugs, oh the bugs!

the performance was really bellow par for some people, I was affected as well, and really those slideshows that affect some people or the zombie faces left a bad taste in our mouth.

The AI is being compared to toddlers, its incapable of walking on its own legs, imagine defending or attacking a walled settlement, that involves running and climbing stairs! its nigh impossible!

Simply put the game left us bewildered. And the damage is clearly done.

There are tons of threads about how the game is to say, in a way that the BAI can understand, is crap. Not only on this forum, but on several others, Im active on 4 forums, and on those 4 they say the same thing.


here is something that illustrates what we think needs to be done to CA

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Basically Im concerned.

Im currently very concerned about whats going to be the support from CA regarding the users. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY! as the japs say.



I want detailed plans for the psychological breakdown of the gamers that have been affected! its clear as day that this is a major problem!

Im starting the campaign free psych treatment for the victims of rome 2! Lets join our forces and get psych treatment for those in need!

now if anyone wants I can try to find a guy doing the same thing, I don't want to be unjustly accused of being a misogynist, I want to be rightly accused of it. Heinz is my idol!

[wulfgar610]

AI is being compared to toddlers

AI will always be limited. But I was playing quite a bit of barbarian Invasion just prior to Rome2 and there is no comparison. The Rome1 AI is truly a joke compared to Rome2.

If anything is killing Rome2 it is the heavy amount of data that is poorly optimized. Restricting optimization to quad cores would have made a huge difference.

I'm playing all low settings on my Core2 quad and getting a reasonable game except the multi army-naval battles that fall to 1 FPS.

[Bilbo ballbags]

I cant stop watching that monkey.............

[vietanh797]

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TAKE RESPONSIBILITY!

that's what a girl will tell you if you forget to wear condom

[karamazovmm]

that's what a girl will tell you if you forget to wear condom

oh really? must try that sometime

[Heinz Guderian]

now if anyone wants I can try to find a guy doing the same thing, I don't want to be unjustly accused of being a misogynist, I want to be rightly accused of it. Heinz is my idol!

that's what a girl will tell you if you forget to wear condom

oh really? must try that sometime

She wont say anything if she is gagged.

[Naked Emperor]

I must admit I have a love hate relationship with this game and by now I have played for 150 hours. In this time I have experienced few graphical issues, stutters or crashes even though I've noticed the zombie faces. For me gameplay comes first followed by decent graphics.

I stumbled upon the first Shogun all these years ago and fell in love with the gameplay, I had been looking for something like this for years and hoping for a game like this when I was playing Sword of the Samurai, Defender of the Crown or Ancient Art of War

I know how rocky the previous releases have been and I was hoping it was over as Shogun 2 played decently out of the box.

But there are just things that I hate that are broken and those have to do with the gameplay and the A.I.

Let's start with the A.I

The BAI is pretty decent...when it works and that is only in field battles. Here is a list of things that I hate about the BAI and want to get off my chest

In almost all battles reinforcements beyond the first 40 units walk into the battlefield and just stand there idle, they can be spurred into activity by walking close to them with a unit.
Reinforcement getting off a boat often just stand idle by the boat and can be spurred into activity by walking a unit close to them.

The capture points, the A.I just rushes to them without forethought what is in the way, makes defending sieges extremely boring
The above point is better though than when the A.I just stands idly with it's units during siege doing nothing.
The A.I doesn't know how to defend during siege or settlement battles, sometimes I have just walked a unit on the capture points without fighting and waited out the timer

There are other issues but these are the biggest

The CAI.

The CAI never builds siege equipment, not once have I seen it during 150 hours of play and that they can so easily can burn down the gates is just stupid and maybe it is in because the A.I never builds siege equipment

The CAI has only once declared war on me once in 3 campaigns (Rome, Egypt and Sparta) and these have been played on Legendary and VH difficulties. I must admit this is the easiest Total War game to date. I never leave a stack to defend my holdings because nobody ever declares war.

The CAI can't manage it's regions and provinces and doesn't know what to build. This is why you will be slaughtering levies when you have tier 3 units. This can be solved by putting all units into one type of barracks or letting the CAI recruit units from the town building. Heck just look at the Barbarian building tree, the units are spread all over the place and that doesn't help the A.I to field decent armies. Big empire implode because of P.O and food shortage.

The CAI doesn't know what to do with their army stacks. It might not be a good idea for the A.I to take its stack away from the city I'm standing next to and about to assault to run away to my next undefended settlement. Giving the A.I free boats doesn't help them either. This is basically a smart behaviour in a sense because the A.I runs away from fights it calculates it can't win and searches for easier fights. Because of the crazy unit replenish rates and that units almost have to be totally destroyed to be lost it would be stupid for the A.I to stand and fight or engage because the players army will be at full strength when it can bring reinforcements. But it is arcady and not fun and doesn't make much of a sense. It's like the Russians would just have abandoned Stalingrad to Paulus and the 6th army and beelined for Berlin because there was a smaller army stationed there.

Diplomacy is stupid...why on earth would the Iceni half the world away deny a trade agreement or a non agression pact with me when I offer them 50.000 dinarii? Why do faction ask me to make them client state for 5000 dinarii?

How does the political system work? what does it do? why is it there? Does anyone give a crap? I want my family tree back, that made sense at least
If CA cuts away features that are 90% finished but don't meet the metacritic standard then why the F is the political system there? It's 10% done and it's not a feature that nets anyone 90% score on metacritic

There are lots of other gameplay mechanics that make no sense like the building mechanics. As the Romans why would I ever build a Latifunda which gives me 15 food, -10 public order and 90 dinarii. To counter the public order I would have to build a grove of nymphs (lvl 3) which gives Public Order +8 and -4 food. So all in all I would gain 11 food, -2 public order and 90 dinarii. Now if I use the 2 building slots for lvl 2 farm which gives 6 food and 40 dinarii and the other slot for livestock lvl 2 which gives 4 food and 80 dinarii which would net me totally 10 food and 120 dinarii.

So 2 lvl 2 buildings give a better bonus than a lvl 3 building and a lvl 4 building in total and more money, this is stupid...and you save a lot of money not building up your regions. This is just stupid gameplay design and it was worse before they patched it...the food penalties and public order penalties were bigger...

The battle mechanics are broken in many ways like the armor system and why testudo gives you almost no noticeable benefits. This can be cured by increasing armor values and lowering weapon damage and I'm sure modders will find a sweet spot but it doesn't work out of the box. Le'ts not discuss ridiculous battle speed and running speed. The units also can sprint a mile in full armor without getting tired. Disciplined units are at a disadvantage against undisciplined ones who will wrap around the other unit and kill it. Units fighting uphill have the advantages making king of the hill mute point...now it's king of the valley.

There are lot of other issues but I feel this rant has been therapeutic enough so I'll leave it at that. I'm going back to playing my modded Rome 2 total war and putting my faith in that CA patches the A.I, fixes bugs and puts in a family tree and the modders bring us beautiful balanced units and good gameplay

And why not a part of India and Russia..or even the part of Scandinavia we can see, why not plomp some nice factions there with some wild fantasy units? I would love to have at least one Indian faction to fight or play....wasted opportunity, the money was squandered on 90% finished features that were cut and marketing that could have been used to fill out the map and bring us part of India.

oh sorry...I just had to add that

[karamazovmm]

so its clear to me even more that psych support is needed

I ask CA for the ladies or guys some pictures of Lusted shirtless and for the guys or ladies some of those beautiful and talented girls to say hi to us, yeah we aren't that demanding to please

[Humble Warrior]

I think most of CA would actually like being told off like that! You need like a hag spanking them.

Personally I think CA are having several meetings to try and decide on their next course of action in placating the user, or not as the case maybe. They`ve probably had to delay their planned DLCs siince they`ll never sell them to the max at this rate.

Could be anything from doing a super AI + Patch (unlikely) to giving away a couple of free DLCS (probable), to just abandoing the whole thing (unlikely, they still have planned DLCs to sell).

The only reason they`re probably even considering all this is because of the DLC selling they want to do.

[Sharpe]

Pinder with them teddies of peace.

But yes. CA. Responsibility. Stuff.

[UselessPoster]

I agree with everything you say and because you posted lucy pinder spanking a toy monkey.

[priam11]

Sorry.....what are we talking about?

[karamazovmm]

Sorry.....what are we talking about?

its a brave campaign to console players that were affected by rome 2, simply I want spiritual and psych support for those players

you can see people in shambles everywhere, broken by the game, lives unfulfilled

if the sight of lusty jack and those programmers will make em happy, lets do it!

[vietanh797]

If I am not mistaken Jack belong to Designer group so at this stage he probably move to working on DLCs or another game(TW :Arena maybe)
Fixing bugs mostly require the programmer

[AusHaching]

Karamazovmm, you made the worst mistake one can make on an internet forum: You posted a gif slightly interesting than what you have written. Can´t stop watching that monkey. Damn, it´s a clip from an ad for a deo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjQAxiSJ0pI

Regarding your question, I have played Rome 2 for about 110 hours now. Add another fifty or so hours spent on twcenter, and I certainly got something for my money. Sure, the game was released unfinished and will probably never be as good as it should be. Does that mean that I got robbed? Hardly.

I´ll tell you why: I was attacked with the Suebi on Sicily. I had placed two stacks next to each other so they could reinforce. A pesky roman spy did something to prevent the reinforcement, and I had to fend off three stacks with one. I won without losing a single unit, but with a dozen regroupings, ten cavalry charges and a bit of luck. Then on the turn of Syracuse, another stack appears and attacks my heroes. I retreat, they follow, and I´m forced to fight. Again, I won by the skin on my teeth (without loosing any units in turn).

So, even if the game is infuriating at times, it still produces memorable moments every now and then. Like when I conquered Jerusalem against two full egyptian stacks with my Templars in Stainless Steel.

Will I buy the next Total War? Probably yes, and my wife will have to live the life of a widow for a month or two again. I just might consider waiting for the first two patches to arrive.

[karamazovmm]

nonsense! the gif is much more interesting then that text that I tried to play with expectations and subversion. With unfulfilled interception of 1st person and 3rd person to make the break of the 4th wall. aside that the humour is lacking.