Anyone knows why suddenly one after the other factions break trade agreements with me?

[alhoon]

I have all strategic resources, I have over a dozen client states, some of which completely cut off from the rest of the world, are very friendly with me (+100 and more) and suddenly, around turn 180 they start breaking trade agreements with me. I was at 18 trade agreements and within 3 turns I got down to about 8. Nobody accepts a trade agreement even when payed, unless they're going bankrupt.
I edited the faction's prestige limits so I am NOT at supreme and even that didn't stop it.


Anyone can tell me why this is happening? Is it because I have too many vassals? Is it because although I changed the prestige limits, I still have about 100 prestige and the chance to break agreement goes not by status but by prestige value? I.e. if I have 100 prestige and I'm noteworthy the change to break the agreement is exactly the same as if I have 100 prestige and I'm supreme?


Anyone can offer any idea on what should I do, or should I get used to the idea that I will have no trade agreements within 2-3 more turns and I'll have to go for military victory?

Is trade victory even possible?

NOTE: I've the 2nd patch. I don't use beta patches.

[Frost, colonel]

I do think when posting peeps they should state which patch their on. That way at least we have the chance of being on an even keel.

[Lathrim]

Excellent question! Would love to have the answer as well.

[Messire]

Man, you actually managed to throw me in these forums to explain things once and for all about gameplay. Your problem: Well, that's precisely because you have all ressources at your disposal! Think, for one just second... Commerce and diplomacy are the most well coded things in the game. People who complain about these aspects without understanding the purest logic of commerce and applying them should read more about trade. You're not the first one complaining about these things and accusing CA, who actually managed to drop the RTW 1 broken features.

[La Vache Qui Rit]

Man, you actually managed to throw me in these forums to explain things once and for all about gameplay. Your problem: Well, that's precisely because you have all ressources at your disposal! Think, for one just second... Commerce and diplomacy are the most well coded things in the game. People who complain about these aspects without understanding the purest logic of commerce and applying them should read more about trade. You're not the first one complaining about these things and accusing CA, who actually managed to drop the RTW 1 broken features.

...Nope. Call me ignorant but I think the op's question valid. What is the saying "there are no stupid questions only stupid answers"?

Could someone explain?

[Inhuman One]

Stop trying to push your shoddy merchandise on them, they arent interested in tapdancing slaves.

[wulfgar610]

I think I noticed them dropping agreements when the trade routes where going through warfare contested waters heavy with pirates.

[Lathrim]

I think I noticed them dropping agreements when the trade routes where going through warfare contested waters heavy with pirates.

Interesting theory! I'll do some testing tomorrow morning.

[craziii]

check the relations in diplomacy tap. it is the only thing coming to my mind. mouse over the face icon. I think the only reason for the AI to break it is when your relations with it deteriorates. so either you suffered a huge reputation hit(attacking your ally) or you attack their ally. not sure though, you have to check your self.

[karamazovmm]

I don't know late game I see a lot of breaking of trade agreements, probably to force the player to fight, that doesn't matter much anyway, since you are raking on money after a turn 50, that trade agreements don't make a significant dent, unless you want an economic victory, or probably because of that quest that this happens

[Drowsy]

Always figured it was remnant shogun 2 RD code being forgotten by the dev's.

[Andonai]

Always figured it was remnant shogun 2 RD code being forgotten by the dev's.

Nope, AI rampage is deactivated, but if you miss this, I can activate it for you.

They are breaking the agreements for many reasons:
1. if you have all available ressources in your posession or at least all kind of ressources, this implies you reign a large empire and you forged it by conquering other nations/factions/tribes...
... remember Napoleon, he forged an empire and the rest of the European countries formed coalitions against him for the sake of the balance of power. It´s logical, if you become to strong, you are dangerous.

2. You know, some rulers of other nations are just traitors, they take your money, trade with you and suddenly (yes, there are 2 tables for diplomatic treacheries in the DB...)

3. Have you checked the relations with the countries that are canceling the trade agreements? If not, do it, sometimes you pissed them off...
... one example, you destroyed too many nations... see point 1.

[vietanh797]

AI drop trade mostly because you now have the res that they used to sell to you that make their trade much less profit since you no longer need as much import as you were while you still export a lot of goods to them.

For example I am playing as Sparta and right after I capture the Veneti settlement I produce about 80 glassware which SE export me before I have that settlement
Having that settlement make me no longer need SE's goods-> their trade profit drop. Next turn SE cut off the trade agreement.


Bad relationship can also cause it but it is very rare, AI tend to keep the trade going as long as they can have good profit coming from it

[Drowsy]

Nope, AI rampage is deactivated, but if you miss this, I can activate it for you.

Hell no. We are well rid of that feature


Thanks for the explanation, rep! That makes a lot of sense. All of the nations where neutral, either +1 or a few minus due to the differences in culture. A few where hostile and unfriendly due to passed wars. Out of all the factions only one declared war (the 2nd war declaration ever playing as Rome) and they where interested in peace after i enslaved the armies they sent for me. I've send non of the factions gifts because i was curious as to what the AI's intentions where, but 95% of the time dropping the non-aggression treaty + trade treaty over a period of two turns is not enough to deteriorate the relationship and the factions remain neutral, passive.

What was interesting is that after the two turn cancellation spam by all the known nations i discovered Aksum, who where more then willing to trade with me, didn't even had to sent them a 'gift' (bribe).



It's definitely option 1 I'm only missing lead and silk i think.

[Messire]

Andonai, Vietanh797, thx! Now my comment feels like less ignored.
Getting monopoly on one ressource is good for market. Having all ressources at disposal makes it hard to trade with faction which won't get any profit out of it.

Some people should stop rampaging around and hurl about a broken game when they first should learn to play. It has been like that since the first age of these games, even well before shogun 1, Lord of the Realms included. Player shouldn't race for all ressources ownership. Plus, it's kind of logical.

[vietanh797]

yep a lot of things in game have it own logic. It just that not everyone try to understand them, people tend to become whiner nowaday. That make me remember those old school games that we spent weeks on them just the find out a few secrets without complaining anything.

[Langer Kerl]

Happened to me as well, and my first guess was also on resources. My trade agreements got canceled after a short phase of rapid expanding on my side, which got me control over long-missing resources such as lead. I lost about 7k income due to that in a few turns and had to start a strict (and interesting) economical restructuring process to become more self-sufficient. I was irritated a bit, because diplomatic relations did not change with my former trade partners at all, but the given explanation makes sense.


By the way, I think you should be able to force trade agreements on client states and vassals. You are their overlord, so you should be able to force your puppet states to open their markets.

[vietanh797]

I agree about that especially after we defeat them at their last settlement.
If we offer them become a client state/ satrap they agree then it is ok that they haven't agree a trade with me but honestly I just beat the hell out of them and they refused to trade?

[Nota']

Did you loose a resource? Factions only want to trade with you if you have a resource they don't.

[alhoon]

I didn't lose any resources.