Ottoman's take Vienna

[Mountain-Man]

If Vienna did fall to the the Ottomans (the siege in 1529 not in 1683) what would of happened for the western world? Could the german states unite and fight back the turks? would france been able to fight them back if they got to the Rhine?

[hellheaven1987]

Charles V would just liberate Vienna immediately after Ottoman left.

[Mountain-Man]

well, at the time the ottomans had proved its navy was better then the spanish after the battle of Preveza. If the ottomans would of kept going into germany it would be quite difficult to Liberate Vienna.

[hellheaven1987]

The thing is that Ottoman already exhausted all supplies and even took Vienna they had to retreat back, left a defendless city against Charles V. Once recaptured the city Charles V could improve the defense of the city again and counter Ottoman's another attempt of siege, which was what happened historically.

[Tureuki]

Depends on what Ottomans does after taking the city, if they're intented to permanently hold the city and area I don't think they would leave it defenseless, defenses would be repaired, city and forts around would be heavily garrisoned and frontier forces would operate around, of course Suleyman would be also sure of Charles would not attack at least for a while, using the diplomatic ways.

[white-wolf]

Ottomans might make Vienna their new capital, like when then took Adrianople or Istanbul, therefore bringing their logistic hub to near to border.

[Tureuki]

I don't think they would make Vienna capital, Istanbul was already well established as a capital, it was spiritually the center of empire.

[white-wolf]

Well, then the capital of West Ottoman Empire, following Ancient Turkic custom.

[Tureuki]

Ottomans got rid of that tradition by strict control as you know I think a new Eyalet would be established and Vienna would be the center ot it, under the direct protection of a Beylerbey.

[Cyclops]

Vienna was a stepping stone in this campaign, whose watchword was "To Rome". I assume Vienna would be garrisoned, possibly left in the hands of Hungarian lords, and the next drive would be against Venice or Apulgia to secure bases in Italy, and then a drive on Rome itself. Either of these moves would surely rally Western Europe if the Siege of Vienna had not.

[Mountain-Man]

yeah, after vienna they probably would of gone after rome.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

The only benefit of holding Vienna would be as a spring board for future raids into Germany or used to split the Hapsburgs and Italy (by being in a central position between the Germany and Italy) for an Ottoman invasion from Southern Italy. Any realistic invasion of Italy would happen from Naples (Otranto, Calabria etc) and only after that is accomplished can the Ottomans advance onto Rome.

[fullapa]

Just a question, some or rather many sources are claiming 300,000 Ottomans initially took part in the siege. How reliable is this? I mean, what commander would put 300,000 for a siege at this time? To me, 90,000 sounds more reliable, but oh well..

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

I don't even think the Ottomans could field 300,000 men. I hope that these aren't the same sources that give Timur and the Ottomans 1 million troops at Ankara, and supposedly these witnesses were there so how the hell?

[Sir Adrian]

Ottomans might make Vienna their new capital, like when then took Adrianople or Istanbul, therefore bringing their logistic hub to near to border.

Constantinople still was, at the time, of the if not the richest city in the world. Why on earth would they want to move thier capital from a prospering, strategically positioned and easily defendable city to a city that was dirt poor and extremely vulnerable? Moreover simply moving the capital does not fix the short-term supply problem, it only causes chaos as the administration shifts and adapts to the change.

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

France was very disappointed that Vienna didn't fall and France and Ottomans had partition plans for both Italy and Germany, Ottomans wouldn't go for Rome, it would be in French zone. Suleiman wanted to reach Rhine, too bad that it didn't happen.
Ottomans wouldn't move their capital, there's no reason for that, Vienna is smaller and weaker city and it would make Baghdad too far to defend. Vienna would instead become the next Belgrade, a place where army can resupply and start campaigns to go further in Germany and attack Venice.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Assuming the Ottomans managed to follow up the conquest of Vienna with another invasion into Germany then the Ottomans would likely just support the Protestants to rebel and become their vassals. The Ottomans would likely advance from Vienna to Frankfurt and then to the Rhine probably to Cologne and meet the French there on the Rhine. But for there to truly be an Ottoman victory then the Ottomans would have to invade Italy as well to use as a jumping point into Spain. But the Question is: with the Ottoman successes what is there to keep France from turning on the Ottomans? Surely with so much Ottoman success wouldn't the French feel backed into a literal corner? Even when France and the Ottomans were supposed to invade Italy in 1537, the French were no shows and instead were invading the Rhine land... for obvious reasons.

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

No, France invaded Flanders not Rhineland. And that was a very bad idea for them really. Also another reason why Ottomans withdrew then was because Persians attacked in the East.

France wouldn't do anything until Hapsburgs have been dealt with. They both could later invade Spain as well. And if France didn't plan to be any kind of ally, they wouldn't have supported Ottomans against Persia.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Either way, neither of those places is Italy and we can probably guess why.

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

Besides, Ottomans and French have both fought together in Nice and occupied Corsica.
And no, I disagree with that. France just somehow saw a bigger opportunity there than in Italy at the time.