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    Default Realistic Units mod - heights and Roman Reskin

    Realistic Heights


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    This mod Corrects the disproportioned bodies of the Barbarians and Mediterraneans as well as all other etnicities in the game .
    From a Fantasy Giants vs Dwarves to a Normal height ratio based on actual realistic heights

    romans 1.73 min ---> 1.68 max ---> 1.78

    greeks Makedonians>Spartans>Hellas=Seleucid=Bactrians>Ptolemaics from 1.69 to 1.78

    Phoenicians1.68 min ---> 1.61 max ---> 1.71

    celts 1.77 min ---> 1.72 max ---> 1.82

    germans 1.81 min ---> 1.76 max ---> 1.86

    easterns 1.70 min ---> 1.63 max ---> 1.73

    Islanders 1.65 min --->1.60 max ---> 1.70

    Thracians 1.75 min --->1.70 max --->1.80

    Dacians 1.75 min --->1.70 max --->1.80

    Iberians 1.72 min --->1.67 max --->1.77

    Celtiberians 1.75 min --->1.70 max --->1.80

    Steppes 1.75 min --->1.70 max --->1.80

    Nubians 1.77 min --->1.72 max --->1.82

    Some Units keep variances so you will see as is in vanilla differences in the heights inthe same unit but no more disproportioned lik e befoure.

    Befoure





    After



    Updated file






    Roman Uniformed Colors

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    all Romans are red with different shades, no more yellows as befoure .






    Remade Roman units :


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    Levies, Plebeians, Handlers , Artillery crew etc ....

    Here The new part of Hair correction for Romans ....
    You can see how it was flawed befoure ( top image ) and how is fixed with a lot of variations ( after )



    now have some new textures for hairs and rearranged sets .

    Then other remade units to be more historically accurate

    Legatus



    hanged Praetorian guard.

    Varied the Praetorian shields with new custom texture patterns and added lion standard bearer .

    Praetorian Cavalry



    Praetorian Guard



    Praetorians








    Italian units with textures made by VINC.XXIII


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    To install

    Put the Prom_Realistic_Units.pak in ........\Steam\steamapps\common\Total War Rome II\data

    Here for whoever might have problems finding how to download just look this picture to understand ....
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    Download version 1.06

    Realistic units patch 5 updated link ...to be tested :

    http://www.mediafire.com/download/c5...nits_for_P5.7z



    Download Realistic Heights only and roman fix


    Update for the PAtch 5
    Last edited by PROMETHEUS ts; October 28, 2013 at 10:32 AM.

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    Looking forward to this, Prom. Spartan heroes also tower over my Armoured legionaries and kind of look ridiculous. You have my backing for this
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    Godspeed old guard!

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    i do not care, i like to see gigantic royal spartans or german warriors, it is cool to see short romans against massive barbarians. I do not care if it was not historical, anyway we cannot know exactely how tall where first rows of germans charging romans, probably they put tallest men in front, so the effect short vs tall could be even historical.
    Then romans were on average 165, celts over 170-175, germans about 175-180. This very much ON AVERAGE, TO GIVE AN IDEA. And romans of late republic were even shorter in some cases, since they melted with eastern people after punic wars and all those slaves/ merchants/ whatever came into italy.

    In the picture you show the roman is CROUCHED, so real difference would be less. If he was steady, i think real difference would be about 15 cm. Which is not so unhistorically. Just try to compare a 180 cm guy with a 165 cm guy as most romans were. I do not know why you say germans are more than 2 mt, maybe you consider romans 180 cm and make germans in comparison? Try to chose 165 cm as real height for a roman, german in the game would look like 180-185 which is not absurd.
    I am 178 myself and when i compare to 190 cm guys i feel something like a roman would feel with an average german.

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    The maximum height a roman with vfariace could reach I put to 1.80 while for germans 1.95 for the talles berserkers ... I think is quite fair with romans base 1.74 ranging so from 1.70 to 1.80

    so no more Masterchief sized barbarians, I am also making variations for the whole barbarian tribes, its no way that Dacians are as tall as Iberians or Celts as Scythians etc ...

    CA made a world of giants vs world of dwarves .
    Last edited by Ishan; September 11, 2013 at 08:23 PM. Reason: Double Post (forum error)

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    after some proportions and calculations it can be seen how the most of the units have a small variance between them but the height bases are overly wrong...
    SCREW CALCULATIONS AND SCIENCE! Don't need that to see how weird this is

    Is it in the db somewhere, in the unit file, or is it the actual models?

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    Yes indeed... here is a test lol ...

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    Hahaha I would totally play that.

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    Last pic looks realistic to me. Germans were really tall that time. Thanks for the mod!

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    I don't see the difference, looks just like vanilla
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    Ok here is the rescaling rebalancement :

    romans 1.73 min ---> 1.68 max ---> 1.78

    greeks 1.70 min ---> 1.65 max ---> 1.75

    Phoenicians1.68 min ---> 1.61 max ---> 1.71

    celts 1.77 min ---> 1.72 max ---> 1.82

    germans 1.81 min ---> 1.76 max ---> 1.86

    easterns 1.70 min ---> 1.63 max ---> 1.73

    Islanders 1.65 min --->1.60 max ---> 1.70

    Thracians 1.75 min --->1.70 max --->1.80

    Dacians 1.75 min --->1.70 max --->1.80

    Iberians 1.72 min --->1.67 max --->1.77

    Celtiberians 1.75 min --->1.70 max --->1.80

    Steppes 1.75 min --->1.70 max --->1.80

    Nubians 1.77 min --->1.72 max --->1.82
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    I'm with Prometheus. Anything to improve the game making it more realistic is OK! in my book.

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    wow cool

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    Thanks for making this

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    Interesting... I wonder if it's possible to increase the size of all models (units, buildings, grass, trees etc.) across the board. Might help avoid the 'looking down at a bunch of ants' feeling I've had with this engine.
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    What was CA smoking..
    I mean that height difference, that's almost Saints Row 4 levels of silly.

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    Ok I finished the mod ...

    here it is The New Images are Like that ...

    Befoure



    After





    As you can see now there is more distinguishable variance among single soldiers ,without having touched the vanilla stat , but redimensioning the figures to a realistic height differences the soldiers now do look human and no more like half giants ...

    Still Germans retain their higher height in comparison , btw the berserkers are the tallest unit of the whole game , but in Vanilla was like 1.94 m with peak of 2 m now are like 1.85 with peak of 1.90 and minimum of 1.80

    while the romans in the picture are a first cohort , taller than the usual ones of a couple cms

    the higher here would be 1.80 and the lowest 1.72 more or less


    the islanders and balearics I made the shortest of the game with a 1.65 average but with peaks as well get higher members

    To install

    Put the Realistic_Heights.pak in ........\Steam\steamapps\common\Total War Rome II\data
    Last edited by PROMETHEUS ts; September 10, 2013 at 12:06 PM.

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    Great work, Prometheus. It makes me glad there are people who wish to make up the many faults in this game with their skill.

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    This is great. Thank you. Much needed, I couldn't stand playing romans against cave trolls.
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    Thanks now I need to see how to Cure the stupid 90% baldness of romans and greeks ...
    Last edited by PROMETHEUS ts; September 10, 2013 at 12:44 PM.

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