Yes, I do support a military strike.
No, I do not support a military strike due to a lack of evidence.
No, I do not support a military strike regardless of the evidence.
Not sure.
Don't care.
Dux Limitis
Re: The Syrian Civil War Thread - part 2
Bahrain's uprising never got off the ground due to Saudi intervention. The Muslim Brotherhood have nothing to do with these conflicts. The Syrian MB itself wasn't a real political force before the war and still isn't now.Originally Posted by TWmodding
I don't really have an opinion on him.
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Vicarius Provinciae
Re: The Syrian Civil War Thread - part 2
That is not the point, the point is that Obama is an idiot to believe He can jump in 3 year late in the party and use the dumbest plan ever.
Let just make my points AGAIN:
- Everyone that could be involved in this war already has been. Saying that you can find 15000 Syrians ready to do US biding because there are 22 millions Syrians is dumb.
- Destroying ISIS will free Iranian forces spread in Iraq and Lebanon to crush the already bloodied Rebels.
« Le courage est toujours quelque chose de saint, un jugement divin entre deux idées. Défendre notre cause de plus en plus vigoureusement est conforme à la nature humaine. Notre suprême raison d’être est donc de lutter ; on ne possède vraiment que ce qu’on acquiert en combattant. »Ernst Jünger
La Guerre notre Mère (Der Kampf als inneres Erlebnis), 1922, trad. Jean Dahel, éditions Albin Michel, 1934
Domesticus
Re: The Syrian Civil War Thread - part 2
Ah no opinion on the man who killed 30.000 people to end a riot.
But that way he could make peace with the Persians and with the dissident gone he looked west...
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There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so. - W. ShakespeareWe (...) have converted the miracles of science into a chamber of horrors -R. Hull
USA knew how to gain a victory, but not how to use it - F.J. Nepos
You will be ruled by either a crown, a clown, or a crook, and democracy assures that you won't get the first one.
Patricius
Re: The Syrian Civil War Thread - part 2
My internal Guderian is screaming: Can SAA close the North Hama pocket?
"Bla bla we're gonna take Hama... Bla bla bla!"
Dux Limitis
Re: The Syrian Civil War Thread - part 2
No thinking you can't possibly find 15,000 fighters among 22 million Syrians is ridiculous and shows you have no real argument.
And crush the rebels? Hezbollah and those super-soldier Shitite militias couldn't crush the rebels before this ISIS fiasco even began. This isn't Call of Duty.
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Vicarius Provinciae
Re: The Syrian Civil War Thread - part 2
There are a numbers of constraints here that you are not taking into account besides the "blank possibility":
The actual recruiting pool is limited by:
1- People who are not already connected to the Regime and Islamists, either personally or this being the Middle East because of their families ties.
2- People who cannot be intimidated by Islamist, Regime either directly or indirectly. Include people in Lebanon, ISIS territory, Assad regime Area, and people whose families are pro-Regime or pro-Islamists. which rules out the biggest Syrian concentration of refugees in pro-IRAN and Pro-Assad Lebanon.
3- People who are not bread winners, or is the US going to support the 100 000 people who depend on these 15 000 soldiers ?
Basicallly you look at people who live in the refuge camps in neighbouring countries, bringing the actual recruitment pool to about 2 million people. But this is to assume that all refugees actually anti-assad.
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a...n#.VGDrdNaVsvg
vacuous "they hate Assad" a la Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom is BS.
Lastly what is the Ideological cement of this rebel force and win the minds of the population ?
Finding 15 000 Rebels who are eligible is not enough, there should be a Ideological and Political force that should conquer the minds of millions of Syrians refugees.
they will outnumber your 15 000 rebels easily, it ain't about being supersoldiers, it is about numbers.
« Le courage est toujours quelque chose de saint, un jugement divin entre deux idées. Défendre notre cause de plus en plus vigoureusement est conforme à la nature humaine. Notre suprême raison d’être est donc de lutter ; on ne possède vraiment que ce qu’on acquiert en combattant. »Ernst Jünger
La Guerre notre Mère (Der Kampf als inneres Erlebnis), 1922, trad. Jean Dahel, éditions Albin Michel, 1934
Dux Limitis
Re: The Syrian Civil War Thread - part 2
Not many people.
Lebanon isn't pro-Assad. Many sunni fighters coming into Syria have come from Lebanon. The biggest concentration of refugees is in Jordan and Turkey not Iran or Lebanon.
Basicallly you look at people who live in the refuge camps in neighbouring countries, bringing the actual recruitment pool to about 2 million people. But this is to assume that all refugees actually anti-assad.
You reference refugees in Beruti and use that as an example as people like Assad. People's homes and lives have been destroyed due to assad. If people didn't hate him then why are there so many people fighting against him?
And ideology? What do you mean? Syrians aren't black and white on ideology here.
If numbers meant anything in this war, the ISIS would be on the brink of defeat. And yet they are outnumbered by everyone on all fronts and have no problem holding their ground.
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It Gets Worse.
Re: The Syrian Civil War Thread - part 2
Aleppo is the more interesting theatre and the rebels holed up in the city itself are weeks, perhaps days from being cut off by the glorious SAA.
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Domesticus
Re: The Syrian Civil War Thread - part 2
morek is Syrian now and fighting in Khan Sikoun. So no closed pocket but some advances.
If they lose Khan Sikoun the other tows are irrelivant
454-480 Western Roman Politics (Article)
There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so. - W. ShakespeareWe (...) have converted the miracles of science into a chamber of horrors -R. Hull
USA knew how to gain a victory, but not how to use it - F.J. Nepos
You will be ruled by either a crown, a clown, or a crook, and democracy assures that you won't get the first one.
Protector Domesticus
Re: The Syrian Civil War Thread - part 2
http://news.yahoo.com/qaeda-seizes-k...084632253.html
Very serious defeat for the Assad regime. Assad lost two key bases near Idlib(Hamidiyeh and Wadi al-Deif). Despite what people claim, Assad forces are losing ground.
It Gets Worse.
Re: The Syrian Civil War Thread - part 2
Let's just wait for the Tiger to push north from Hama.
https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/B0qSdenCQAEVOTj.mp4
The common culture of a tribe is a sign of its inner cohesion. But tribes are vanishing from the modern world, as are all forms of traditional society. Customs, practices, festivals, rituals and beliefs have acquired a flut and half-hearted quality which reflects our nomadic and rootless existence, predicated as we are on the global air-waves.
ROGER SCRUTON, Modern Culture
Tribunus
Re: The Syrian Civil War Thread - part 2
Very haunting, very graphic video of UN debriefing the crimes of Assad regime. Watch if you can:
http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/cou...meeting-on-the
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Domesticus
Re: The Syrian Civil War Thread - part 2
41:40 The group who will win the war will probably go free (or mostly) the other will face justice.
The tragic of this war is that no side is the good guy. Many many innocents die. People reading this forum need to make up their mind
1) Keep Ba'ath government 2) Make it a South-Sudan state with 'moderate rebbels' 3) Islamic state
All in all no win for the normal Syrian but If I could chose I would pick nr.1
454-480 Western Roman Politics (Article)
There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so. - W. ShakespeareWe (...) have converted the miracles of science into a chamber of horrors -R. Hull
USA knew how to gain a victory, but not how to use it - F.J. Nepos
You will be ruled by either a crown, a clown, or a crook, and democracy assures that you won't get the first one.
Vicarius Provinciae
Re: The Syrian Civil War Thread - part 2
some recent statistics to bring this thread up from page 2 so people will actually use it:
After nearly four years of civil war, the death toll in Syria has risen to 210,060, nearly half of whom are civilians, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. As shocking as that figure is, the rights group says the real number is likely much higher. The U.K.-based group claims that there have been 10,664 children and 6,783 women among the dead. The human rights group, which has a network of activists across Syria, says it was able to verify the deaths of 35,827 Syrian rebels and 45,385 Syrian army soldiers, reports Reuters, which highlights that the numbers are impossible to verify independently. The group says the number of foreign fighters killed is nearly 25,000 but says the real number is likely higher:
"We in the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights estimates the real number of non-Syrian casualties from the IS, al-Nusra Front, Islamic factions, Jund Al-Aqsa battalion, Junoud al-Sham, al-Katiba al-Khadra’, Jund al-Sham, rebel battalions, regular forces and pro-regime militants to be approximately 85,000 more than the documented number due to the extreme discretion by all sides on the human losses caused by the conflict, the difficulty of communication in Syria, and the difficulties to know identify the fate of 40,000 detainees."More than 1.5 million Syrians have been injured and permanently disabled in some way, the group estimates.
2Syrian military air raids have killed or wounded some 5,000 people in five days, including a helicopter attack on the rebel-held city of Aleppo that left at least 26 dead, a London-based monitoring group said Friday.
Since the start of this month, “Helicopters dropped more than 350 explosive barrels (barrel bombs) on areas in the cities, towns and villages of the provinces of Rif Dimashq, Idlib, Homs, Quneitra, Hasakah, Daraa, Aleppo, Lattakia and Hama,” the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) said on its website.
It said that in the latest attack a pair of army helicopters dropped two barrel bombs Thursday evening over the old Aleppo neighborhood of Qarliq, hours after a rebel attack in Damascus killed nine people.
Women and children were among at least 26 dead in the Aleppo attack, SOHR said.
Overall since the beginning of February, “Raids and barrel bombs have left deaths of 185 civilians, including 34 children and 29 women, while 800 others were wounded, some of them in critical situation,” SOHR claimed.
Online videos of the fighting in Damascus showed thick columns of smoke rising from burning buildings, the thud of shells and the crying of children.
The official Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA) reported six people killed in rebel attacks in three provinces on Thursday, including Aleppo, which has a mixed population of Kurds and Arabs.
Domesticus
Re: The Syrian Civil War Thread - part 2
http://www.reuters.com/video/2015/02...eoId=363124249
Another mortar attack by moderates two days ago. These people want to rule Syria.
I prefer doctors and people that are not forced to wear a headscarf. People that were allied to IS...
Offcouse the pointless bloodshed has to stop I prefer tomorrow but I am pragmatic in this conflict.
Kurds and Christians are also nice people and need help
454-480 Western Roman Politics (Article)
There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so. - W. ShakespeareWe (...) have converted the miracles of science into a chamber of horrors -R. Hull
USA knew how to gain a victory, but not how to use it - F.J. Nepos
You will be ruled by either a crown, a clown, or a crook, and democracy assures that you won't get the first one.
Re: The Syrian Civil War Thread - part 2
Gentlemen,
due to the nature of the spread out conflict and in order to make discussion more convenient for all participants, we're closing this thread.
Please discuss every current development related to ISIL/IS the War in Iraq and Syria in this thread.
Thank-you, gentlemen.
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