Titanium - Model Works and Previews

[Yerevan]

Wow Hellekin, the Obotries are beautifull, I like those discreet colors.

[paleologos]

Work is complete on scimitars(7), scabbards(4) and shiels(17).
The rar attachment contains an ms3D file and the textures including normal map in CA TEXTURE format.
Islamic_Unit_EQ.rar

I'm looking forward to some complements people...

[Skomorox]

Well I don't have milkshape, how am I supposed to open the files? :/

[paleologos]

Well I don't have milkshape, how am I supposed to open the files? :/

http://www.chumba.ch/chumbalum-soft//ms3d/download.html

It's only a 5357 KB file.

[+Mr.Crow+]

Some of the units showed in the first post of this thread use parts taken from CSUR without any permission, especially the heads (but there are also other things).

In particular:

- heads, gambeson (that you have just recolor) and maybe also en helmet...
http://s1116.photobucket.com/user/An...it-22.jpg.html

- heads, hood and one or two helmets...
http://s1116.photobucket.com/user/An...it-20.jpg.html

- heads, chainmail hood and one or two helmets and maybe also the light brown gambeson
http://s1116.photobucket.com/user/An...it-21.jpg.html

- heads and at least one helmet
http://s1116.photobucket.com/user/An...it-23.jpg.html

- heads and chainmail hood
http://s1116.photobucket.com/user/An...it-24.jpg.html

- heads
http://s1116.photobucket.com/user/An...it-26.jpg.html



So i will give you 5 days to remove this images and to remove the parts taken without permission before i call moderators.

Thx,

+Mr.Crow+

[VINC.XXIII]

War of the West units too obviously. Take care with using stuff without permission, it can lead to the ban.
Btw, do Polycarpe and Hamilton were agreed to let you use...probably norvegian or hebridan units?
perhaps it could be decent to add properly credits at least, I recognise Broken Crescent shields too. Its not fair what you're doing with posting in public thread without credits to original modellers/texturers. Broken Crescent let us use their work, the least is to credits the mod, if not the modders individually. Intellectual honesty
"

• References, or earlier work, are acknowledged where possible, and plagiarism is avoided."

[DC53]

Will any units use warhammers besides the Venetian heavies? If those still exist in this submod?

[Skomorox]

I'm pretty sure they credited the mods (Broken Crescent for sure) which they used stuff from, in the introduction of the mod. Well anyway, good luck with resolving these problems..

Here's my opinion on this, I fully understand crediting, but I don't get model copyrighting to the extent where you can't improve or use any base of the model or even make a similar model, especially if this model is from a free mod to a game, this to me is a destructive manner in art and stops progress unnecessarily, I'm thinking what would happen if one guy basically single handedly created all possible good models (Infinity of variations for models, but for good realistic faces, there is really not so much variation) and copyrighted them completely.

How do you even know if a part of the model is copied and not recreated and just looks very similar?

In music business, which I am in, if all possible melodies would actually be copyrighted so far you can't use the motive or even use them with personal changes, I think that would be the end of music, it's no secret, absolutely everybody in music copies/improves/gets influence from the previous great guy whether intentionally or not.

You guys realize one day there won't be any new models to make, just like in music melodies, every day there is thousands if not millions of new model variations made , when it comes to such small things as fingers, already I'm sure there is absolutely no good finger variation you can make without copying someone else s variation by accident, without being aware of it, because everybody tries to recreate the same end result.

[Navajo Joe]

I HAVE CLOSED THIS THREAD TEMPORARILY UNTIL THE IMAGES ABOVE ARE REMOVED.

NAVAJO JOE

[Andytheplatypus]

All questionable images have been removed from preview. This will be sorted out through pm. If there are any questions in the future regarding unit usage please pm me first

Will any units use warhammers besides the Venetian heavies? If those still exist in this submod?

No there will not be any 1 handed warhammers in use for this mod. At least for the early era. That weapon did not exist until later.

[King of the Ring]

Firstly,you need solid proof that those are from CSUR because that type of helmets can be done by everyone and you can't do a proper difference between yours and his.Same applies for chainmail and other stuf you mentioned.

Secondly you seem frustrated....please keep your real life frustration out of this forum,no one cares about your aggresive stance and your threat. You seem to do comments against something that is better than your CSUR and Bellum Crucis mods.....you can't eliminate competition by invoking fake issues.Get solid proofs before showing your face around,ok?

[+Mr.Crow+]

All questionable images have been removed from preview. This will be sorted out through pm. If there are any questions in the future regarding unit usage please pm me first

I've seen that you have solved the problem: I really appreciate your honesty. Thx

Good luck for your project, friend.

Best regards,

+Mr.Crow+



@King of the Ring: sorry, but i argue just with respectful people. According to me, you do not exist.

[King of the Ring]

I've seen that you have solved the problem: I really appreciate your honesty. Thx

Good luck for your project, friend.

Best regards,

+Mr.Crow+



@King of the Ring: sorry, but i argue just with respectful people. According to me, you do not exist.

so according to you,intelligence doesnt exist? you miss it so much you already deny it

[b257]

so according to you,intelligence doesnt exist? you miss it so much you already deny it

King of the Ring, for the sake of the fans and your colleagues let it go for now, the mod already took a hit with the loss of some of its units it can't afford to have its best Unit Modeler banned too, Just Put him in your ignore list and move on, Please as a fan of this mod and your work, I beg you, please don't do or say something that will get you suspended or banned and end up putting this mod in jeopardy, just be the bigger man and walk away, I'm sure things will get resolved

[Skomorox]

There is no win intellectually here if you guys argue, since both sides know the same facts, so this is an argument of honour..

But I suggest dropping it too, the readers can understand the situation by reading it already, there is enough written down.

So as b257 said, since your honour is fine as we understand your position, and the facts are on the table of this page, I say the honourable thing now is to back off of dangerous writing, especially since we all agreed to the forum rules, be they not entirely to our liking or not doesn't matter as it isn't our forum.

I say let's keep only the productive and legal arguments where the rules apply.

(AS for Paleologos scimitars and other models, I will get a look at them asap and comment surely, but I can't right now sine I am on a mac)

[paleologos]

Happy to report that progress is being made, though there are still details that require tweaking.
I think you will appreciate the eyecandy, let me know.

The pictures may not show due to site server problems.

[paleologos]

A few more in-game screenies to show off progress but still there remain details that require tweaking-I just can't get a few things quite the way I want them.

The first picture is from an earlier work - taken in cloudy weather- and a a few things in the norm file were different.

I would like to read some comments regarding a comparison, I know the light conditions are not the same but still, which chainmail do you think looks better, the first pic or the bottom row?

[Skomorox]

Paleologos, I really suggest you upload the pictures somewhere else as I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING HERE! As for the scimitar in milkshape file, great job!! Looks great, I like how the scimitar looks nasty and kind of scary, shows authority so to say, the size of it is actually perfect, looks better then the boring ones in mtw2. Although I remember when I used milkshake I tended to hate for the terrible difference in quality before and after compiling. Actually I'm surprised people still use milkshake actually, did the newer versions make it better? EDIT: I can finally see the pictures, in a messy way, but I can see them. Before commenting on the chainmail, I want to say the actual unit looks good, I like the red italian prada bag they are wearing . Although now they dissapeared again. Well anyway. From memory, as for the chain mail, the one that looks darker seems more realistic but has a bit of a problem around the shoulder, seems like the texture repeat there isn't flawless and dis-synced, the one which is more uniform seems more "appealing" but also fake but doesn't have a problem around the shoulder. I like the darker more if you could make the transition better around the shoulder. Ok now I can't post this for some reason, if you see this, success......

[paleologos]

Paleologos, I really suggest you upload the pictures somewhere else as I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING HERE! As for the scimitar in milkshape file, great job!! Looks great, I like how the scimitar looks nasty and kind of scary, shows authority so to say, the size of it is actually perfect, looks better then the boring ones in mtw2. Although I remember when I used milkshake I tended to hate for the terrible difference in quality before and after compiling. Actually I'm surprised people still use milkshake actually, did the newer versions make it better?

The pictures manifest themselves at the whim of the site servers.
If you try another time you may get lucky but I will try to satisfy the request.

Thanks for the complements on the scimitars (don't forget to rep the artist), I did the best I could in limited time, though I would like to know what King of the Ring has to say about them since I made that collection of scimitars on his request.

I have used 3DsMax and though I admit is much more powerful than milkshape I found it tiresome to learn.
It seems to me it is intended either for outright professionals or extremely dedicated hobbyists and I am neither.
I found milkshape much more intuitive to learn and was able to do more with it in less time than I had spend to learn what I could of 3dsMax.
I am using version 1.8.4 of milkshape and there is also a beta on 1.8.5. but I will pass on that one for the time being.

They are not bags, they are pouches and they are not Italian Prada, they are nordic Birka style, historicaly accurate, albeit a bit more gilded than the real things.

About your comments on the mail, the model is textured in milkshape in the JC posture.
Once the arms are down (in-game), certain triangles (the ones you call dis-synced) are going to be naturally somewhat stretched.
Nothing that looks perfect in the milkshape preview window can look equally nice in-game, especially the "soft" parts of a model.
To make things more complicated the amount of stretching also depends on the slope of the ground the figures are standing: if the unit is facing downhill -but they are not bracing- the shoulders will be drawn more to the back, with the chest looking expanded, meaning that the triangles on the front upper torso are going to be streched more than usual to the left and right, while the triangles on the upper back are going to be contracted but the amount of pixels in any given triange remains unchanged!
Such limitations are inevitable, unless you have the resources of, say George Lucas.

Bottom line, I can't help the stretching ...
Still, the comments are useful, thanks.

[b257]

You're Units look Great Paleologos, well done