Patrician Nomination Ammendment

[Aristocrat]

I do not see why current Patricians cannot nominate Civitates to become Patricians.
The nominees would have to pass the vote in the CdeC anyway, and this way any civitates who may be deserving but are otherwise overlooked will not "fall throught the cracks". This *may* lead to an increased load of work for the CdeC, but, thats what the council is there for.

*=Probaly most definitely will.

So I propose the Syntagma be altered in the following ways.

Patrician

• Patricians are people who have proved they are good posters (as conferred by the rank of Civitate or Artifex), are interested in TWC and have made a good contribution to it, and who therefore deserve the right to have some say in the running of TWC.
• Patricianship is awarded for contribution to TWC (Appendix A). None of these contributions provide automatic Patricianship however, but they do allow you to be nominated. In addition to those contributions the member must have at least one month’s experience as a Citizen and have no active warnings at the time of the election. Patricians are expected to contribute to the developing the site. Involvement in the Curia is part of that.
• Patricians have the same rights as Citizens but are the only members who can vote on legislation and post in the Curia and Curia Vote forums.
• All Patricians can nominate Citizens in accordance with the Patronization Act. If a Citizen's nomination fails the Consilium de Civitate (CdeC) vote, the Patrician cannot patronise again for two months.
• Patricians are nominated to the CdeC by a member of Senior Staff,a member of the CdeC (who cannot then vote on the nomination), or a current Patrician. There is no patronage link (as per Patrician/Citizen relationship). Patricians are voted into their rank by the CdC on a 75% vote. Appendix A indicates possible criterion for promotion from Citizen to Patrician. It is not exhaustive.
  
• Patricians may nominate civitates for Patricianship at the rate of one per month.
  
• Nominations are done via a pm to to CdeC or Hex member.
• Either the CdeC or the Senior Staff can revoke a Patrician's status back to either Artifex or Civitate on a 75% majority vote.

The first change specifies that Patricians may nominate, the second the rate at which they may nominate (which is open to discussion by the way, but I feel there must be some limit/rate).
The third, is to eliminate any public perception of a 'patronage link' between the Patrician and the nominee, as it is specifically stated there is no patronage like link. There are no 'houses' involved here, and nominations should be made on merit, ones that aren't the CdeC will ensure don't pass vote.
Thoughts? Comments?

[Perikles]

I support! (II)

[Tom Paine]

I support, yes, but you need to be clearer where your alterations are... I mean, did you add this? "There is no patronage link (as per Patrician/Citizen relationship)"

[Aristocrat]

No, that is already in the current syntagma, I just inserted "or Current Patricians" at the end of the sentence before it.

[Tom Paine]

Oki. I still support.

[Perikles]

As do I, as long as this doesn't change radically I will support...

[imb39]

I see no problems but am not keen an any patron-client link being created. Why not use the phrase 'sponsor' to separate the process and to dispell the idea of links.

[Tom Paine]

Well.... because this phrase dismisses the fear perfectly well:

There is no patronage link (as per Patrician/Citizen relationship)

[imb39]

The matter was raised, I just wanted to ensure the fact. I wrote the damned thing...

[King Henry V]

"The abovementioned motion, proposed by the Patrician Aristocrat, client of the Senator Necrobrit of the Imperial House of the Wolf, regarding the amendments to the Syntagma relating to the nomination of Patricians, doth receive the esteemed and most hearty approval of our most blessed Lord and Sovereign King Henry, the Fifth of that name."

Signed:
Henry V, King of England, Heir and Regent of France and Lord of Ireland.
Sunday, Third Day of the Ninth month of September, the feast of the Sainted Gregory the Great, Anno Domini Two Thousand And Six.

Amen.

[Ragabash]

Proposal v.1.01

Made some small changes, they shown in the green colour.

Patronization

• Patricians are people who have proved they are good posters (as conferred by the rank of Civitate or Artifex), are interested in TWC and have made a good contribution to it, and who therefore deserve the right to have some say in the running of TWC.
• Patricianship is awarded for contribution to TWC (Appendix A). None of these contributions provide automatic Patricianship however, but they do allow you to be nominated. In addition to those contributions the member must have at least one month’s experience as a Citizen and have no active warnings at the time of the election. Patricians are expected to contribute to the developing the site. Involvement in the Curia is part of that.
• Patricians have the same rights as Citizens but are the only members who can vote on legislation and post in the Curia and Curia Vote forums.
• All Patricians can nominate Citizens in accordance with the Patronization Act. If a Citizen's nomination fails the Consilium de Civitate (CdeC) vote, the Patrician cannot patronise again for two months.
• Patricians are nominated to the CdeC by a member of Senior Staff,a member of the CdeC (who cannot then vote on the nomination), or a current Patrician. There is no patronage link (as per Patrician/Citizen relationship). Patricians are voted into their rank by the CdC on a 75% vote. Appendix A indicates possible criterion for promotion from Citizen to Patrician. It is not exhaustive.
• All Patricians may nominate Civitate for Patricianship at the rate of one per month. Nominations are done via a pm to the CdeC or Hex member. If a Civitate nomination fails the Consilium de Civitate (CdeC) vote, the Patrician cannot patricianship again for two months.
• Either the CdeC or the Senior Staff can revoke a Patrician's status back to either Artifex or Civitate on a 75% majority vote.

[Aristocrat]

@Imb But that doesn't just imply the same link anyway? and possibly at a deeper level?
I see your point (and agree with it) but if I sponsor something it means I have a vested interest in it.

@Muizer, yes I like that, but 2 months? Why 2 months, 8 weeks is an awfully long time on TWC.

edit: The patrician cannot propose patricianship?

[Tom Paine]

the Patrician cannot patricianship

That needs dealing with... grammatical problems.
And the code you are looking for is [fieldset][legend]TEXT HERE[/ legend]

[Silver Guard]

I do not support, I think the Staff and the CdeC are quite capable of fulfilling this role themselves, if you feel there is a good representative, ask a member of the CdeC or a moderator to nominate him, as their is no time-restriction

[Perikles]

I do not support, I think the Staff and the CdeC are quite capable of fulfilling this role themselves, if you feel there is a good representative, ask a member of the CdeC or a moderator to nominate him, as their is no time-restriction

All we are doing is formalising what you said above...

[Aristocrat]

Essentially Silver Guard this is the same thing, but sets a limit as to how often Patricians can sponsor/nominate new patricians.
It is done via pm to a hex or staff member anyway, why not make it official and errr, legal?

[Silver Guard]

No, you're allowing Patricians to directly nominate Civitates, which I think is a big no no. The CdeC and Staff are the people who can be trusted with that, people should be elected from above, not the same level as they're going to

[Tom Paine]

So we should stop patricians voting on moderators? And make it a purely staff decision?

And all this does is allow nominations; it doesn't change who makes the decision at all.

[Aristocrat]

No, you're allowing Patricians to directly nominate Civitates, which I think is a big no no. The CdeC and Staff are the people who can be trusted with that, people should be elected from above, not the same level as they're going to

I don't see the harm, are you afraid that friendship may become the criteria for Patricianship?
That is why we have the CdeC, to stop such fraudulent acts from succeeding.

Also, make a note that I am not saying there will be any link between the nominator and nominee (in fact I oppose it).
In fact all that I am proposing is that Patricians who see a possible candidate bring them to the attention of the CdeC or Hex.

[Muizer]

And all this does is allow nominations; it doesn't change who makes the decision at all.

Nevertheless, there is a selection mechanism not just in the vote itself, but also in the selection of candidates that get voted on. It is one thing to alert the CdeC to a civitate that may be overlooked, another to force a vote. Making sure there is no formal or informal ties between the nominating patrician and the nominee, the former would have to remain anonymous as well, something that would be hard to check in practice.