Blast From The Past & The Future of RTR

**ahowl11** · June 25, 2013, 11:43 PM

Hello,

Let me begin with saying I had thought very long and very hard before starting this thread, but in the end it's worth it.

My Background to the Idea

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My Question to current RTR members and Alumni

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My Proposal to the RTR Community

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Okay so I have done some research, and it is obvious that the RTR series and its' mods have focused on the Roman Republic from 280 BC to about 14 AD. Nothing wrong with that, it's my favorite time period of history. However I want to expand that time frame into sectional mods and campaigns to get a more in-depth look at what the world was like in this time frame. Not only that, but from 340 BC to 280 BC, and 30 BC to 117 BC are not represented well by mods, when there is nothing really stopping anyone from doing so.

So what I am aiming to do is create a series of mods that would cover the time from Alexander to Trajan. Yes, this task seems daunting, seeing how it would cover almost 500 years in history, but when divided into a series of mods, it really does not seem that bad to me. After some brainstorming I have come to this list of mods that would go into the series:

1. 280 BC - 146 BC spans the time from Pyrrhus invading Italy, and the formation of the Hellenistic World to the Destruction of Carthage and Corinth, thus solidifying Rome's control in Africa and Greece. This could probably be first in the series because it will follow the traditional RTR mods and it's a time frame that people are familiar with. Plus, I have already begun working on it.

2. 340 BC - 280 BC could essentially be split into two parts, The Campaign of Alexander and the Wars of the Diadochi. This mod would also cover the Rise of Rome as a regional power.

3. 145 BC - 30 BC covers the Late Republican Era, Marius' Reforms, the Civil Wars of Great Generals and the end of an era. Truly an epic time that is not fairly represented by RTW mods except the FRRE team, kudos to them!

4. 27 BC - 117 AD The final expansion of the Empire and the time where it was most prosperous.

Each mod will be unique in it's own way.

This seems daunting, but consider the fact that the RTW modding world has so many resources available to us. As long as there is a possibility to piece together what we want, it is capable. I am not going to be making this mod from scratch, but instead use what the community has given me, of course with permission.

So what does blast from the past mean? To me I love RTRPE, it is beautiful and I love their units. Any other units put in these mods will need to resemble the RTRPE look and feel. It could also mean that the original RTR7 team fell apart, and I am going to attempt to bring the same feel back.

What happended to RTRPE2? The idea was combined with my Mundus Magnus 7.0 idea and evolved into this.

Yes, I am aware that the release of Rome 2 is near and that maybe there will not be very much interest in this mod, but RTW is probably the most popular Total War Game, and people will always play it. Even if only a handful support this mod and follow it, I will still push on, because I rather have a close knot group of people with me in this experience than try to make this a worldwide known thing. I am not competing with CA, I am trying to create something that I will enjoy and I would like to share my experience with others.

Conclusion

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**Maurits** · June 26, 2013, 04:25 AM

This is my personal opinion and does in no way represent the team's stand in this, which is unknown to me at the moment.

Bravo for this idea! I think it is a very ambitious plan, which certainly contains some interesting elements. Let's make something clear first, though. Building a mod, even if assembling it from various parts, is a very big endeavour. It should not be taken lightly. Do you have any modding skills? If you're not an all-round modder, you will need to assemble a team to do this.

As for the current RTR team, while we have had a period of less activity this year there is still work being continued behind the screens and new proposals and ideas to improve our current VII series are being made. You would not be able to use the brand name Rome Total Realism 8. That would be reserved for a continuation of the official team. You could gain (independent) submod status, though, once you have created a releasable incarnation of your mod. My suggestion would be to create an information thread in the RTR Submods forum where you can post previews and information as you start working on this. Then you may attract further support and create a team to work with. If you want to continue this, there will be success. RTRPE was a community project which has been adopted in the RTR family

That's just my personal vision on how to approach such a project. I wonder, do you already have a mod of sorts or is this still in the concept-phase?

**Mausolos of Caria** · June 26, 2013, 11:02 AM

A very well thought opening post

I agree with Maurits that it would be worth doing this, at least start off with one mod and then see how long it takes and how popular it would be. I think I speak for the majority of the RTR community when I say that TWR II has some horrible historical mistakes resp. lack of depth, so an interest in your mod woudl surely be there. Maybe the RTR team can support you in this as well, but I'm not sure if their plans are to just improve RTR VII, to do another RTR or to plan a RTR mod for TWR II. I guess it also depends on the moddability of the new game.

In any way, I also appreciate your idea and could offer my services for historical research

My qualifications can be seen in the ''Historical discussions'' thread

**Antiokhos Euergetes** · June 26, 2013, 02:01 PM

I am impressed by your proposal, all of which sound great. Perhaps RTR VII regional map idea might also serve you in some of your concept- perhaps Philip II rise rather than his sons campaigns? Just a thought. Good luck and Eutykhia bless your endeavours

**ahowl11** · June 26, 2013, 09:11 PM

Thank you for the support, I know that I will not be able to do this alone, and having support and help from the RTR community could make a huge difference in where this mod goes! I am also glad to know that I won't have to use RTR 8, it's good to know that the RTRVII team still has something going on.

I might stick to RTRPE 2 since this project is based on it but I have thought of Mundus Magnus Total Realism as well, maybe someone has another idea? I'll let the community help me decide what to call this project since I want the community to be a part of it! There will not be many secrets, but I will need to stay firm with what I want. For instance, if a person really wants to see a certain faction or unit in this project I will consider it, but it would need to fit the mod and be relevant with the era that is being worked on.

Yes, I have some modding ability. I have some good experience with coding when it comes to adding in units, and if I need to add in other things I can follow instructions well. I have a little mapping ability and a little ability with textures but not anything super special. I'm good at putting things together and implementing things, I have never made anything from scratch. I would say that I am best at researching. I use references from other forums and sites, and I like to hunt things down. I am also good at keeping files organized and keeping things in order as well as public relations, previews and coordinating the progress of the mod.

I am not expecting a huge team to help me out, and I am not going to go on a huge recruiting spree to get people to do my work for me, but I admit there are areas that I would really appreciate someone's service. Editing and creating units is one of those. I do not expect that there should be a lot of new units and I do have Maraxus and/or Rarity to go to for help. However, if someone within the RTR community wants to assist, they are more than welcome. Scripts are another thing, as well as 2d art for faction symbols and banners. Some historians would be nice as well, thank you Mausolos of Caria for being here!

I actually do have a pre-beta right now. Here is what I have included:

Mundus Magnus Map - A customized version. This map has had it's dimensions increased to provide more space in between cities, I also have researched each settlement for the map. Below, I have included the list of settlements that you will see in the first release. These are subject to change through testing and research. Also, the goal is to get the map as geographically accurate as possible, mountain passes, landmarks, rivers, lakes, roads, settlement locations, are all important to this mod. Also, ports will represent coastal cities, something I plan on incorporating somehow down the line so you can know what city the port is representing. Thanks can go to Anarchon and Philadelphos. Also, the look of the map is pretty awesome. I am using RS2 water textures for the sea, and M2TW textures for the land. However, I thinking I will change the land textures to the ones Ancient Empires Elysium (AEE) has. Also, RTRVII settlement and port models are being used.

Settlement List

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RS2 Battle Environments - They look amazing. It is kind of weird, but I use the vanilla descr_battle_map_lighting_and_fog_control.txt file and in my opinion it makes the units look amazing, instead of dull which we see in some mods.

Diadochi Total War Wooden Walls - These walls are tier three, Epic Stone Walls have been removed. These walls allow defenders to put troops on top of the wall for defense as well as the attackers being able to use siege engines when storming the city.

Minimods - Projectiles sticking on ground mod and realistic movement mod are also included.

Now I plan on adding a lot more, but I will save that for another post.

I am in need of some files though, and I was wondering if anyone in the RTR community could provide them. I am wanting to incorporate aspects from some old submods for RTR Gold and PE but some of these have no links available. If anyone can provide the following mods, I would be truly greatful!

-Ancient Empires (The mod before AEE,it has some neat stuff from what I have read but I cannot seem to find a valid download link. My only hope is that someone has it on their Hard Drive or has stored it somewhere)

-Roman Faction Mod 2 by SnakeIV (Has some really cool looking units and other things)

-RTRPE Custom Faction Mod v.13 by peterofnj (I have v.12 but v.13 had some nice Macedonian skins that could be used)

-Hic Sunt Dracones Enhancement Mod by JoeyJubb (Some simple but essential enhancements in here)

-Heirs of Atlantis II by Arbaces (Not that big of a need since other mods have all of this mods units, but good to have nonetheless)

-Mauryan Expansion mod by vikrant (Has some cool Indian units that could be used)

-A New Add-on for RTR Platinum v1.9 (mod switch version) by Iulianus Apostata (This has some interesting ideas)

And if anyone on here as old RTR mods, files or information that can help let me know! I am extremely interested in the old RTR versions. I have 5.4, 6.0, 6.1, 6.2, 6.3 and 6.0 Gold and there are some neat units that in there that could be of use. Also, even if you have some private mods or files that you would like to see in this mod, please bring them forward. This is a community mod, contributions are more than welcome!

Also, if need be you can move this thread to the RTRPE submods forum if you want to. I can use it as the thread to preview everything. Or you could leave it in this forum as well, it doesn't matter.

I also encourage any of you who know of RTR fans and in that case old RTRPE fans to check this project out. Could someone give me a list of current and former RTR members who have contributed to RTR in the past? Even those who regulated on the RTR forums back in the day. Even if they are not active, I would like to try and contact them, to get their support and at least let them know about this. Who knows maybe they would like to contribute to the cause!

**AngryTitusPullo** · June 26, 2013, 09:49 PM

Too bad I don't have anymore old files, even my own mods. More since filefront is inacessible from my country. In any case good luck with your project.

**ahowl11** · June 26, 2013, 09:57 PM

Thanks, LestaT. I mean... Adam. Haha.
Would you mind if I borrowed any ideas from your Imperator mod?

**AngryTitusPullo** · June 27, 2013, 12:37 AM

No problem. All my works is public as long as far as RTR related goes. All the stuff are basically RTR (since 5.1 version) except where stated so if you're making mods base on RTR and hosted under RTR banner then there should not be an issue.

**ahowl11** · June 27, 2013, 12:53 AM

Thanks I appreciate that, it will be under the RTR banner for sure.

**Caligula Caesar** · June 27, 2013, 11:10 AM

Nice proposal

My advice would be to try and break it down into achievable smaller goals, and build up from there. But there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to make a great mod. I like your list of settlements, by the way

Oh, and regarding Indian units, Fortuna Orbis has some nice ones

**Stath's** · June 27, 2013, 12:33 PM

As I see it, it would be nice to make sth different. RTRVII is sth different and the main reason, apart from 100 others, for me, is the focused campaign map.

So for example, a focused campaign map, to the eastern part of the map this time, would be sth different and new.

And ofc the starting date is another issue. 280-270 B.C. is so much used that I am starting to believe it's the starting point of the Earth itself

There are so many possibilities that it gets weird that so many mods have the same map and start at 270-280 B.C.

I tell all that as a big fan and admirer of RTW mods and modders.

**Pat89** · June 27, 2013, 12:37 PM

That's some very cool thoughts. And to be honest, we have been playing with the same thoughts internally a long time ago. Having different start dates within the same mod always has been pure awesomeness imo.

If I may give you some advice on this, ideas I had expressed in the developers forum back when we were discussing it (but due to time restraints - especially regarding balancing - didn't complete):

A. One option would be to enable "provincial campaigns". What a provincial campaign does, is to allow you to have multiple starting scenario's (and scripts) using the same mod, which is basically what you want, right? Think of it as how the RTW prologue existed alongside the main campaign, but then with a long list of different campaigns of whatever scope you want. This means that what you want to do, could be a fairly simple addon to RTR VII as it is now. Enabling these campaigns however might prove to be a challenge on its own as I have removed the menu option for it altogether (it's not just invisible, it's gone). So when trying to figure out how to get these sub-campaigns going, this is an extra complicating factor. When you do get it working however, it's very easy to use. (There is some good information on this on the TWC wiki, I tried to look it up for yuo quickly, but couldn't find it yet).

B. Another option which might be more work than the above but allows for pretty much infinite possibilities and freedom, is to make RTR VII non-modfodlered. If you overwrite the original game files with RTR VII files, RTR VII would be the "vanilla" and you can make use of the mod folder system to have different campaigns come with their own modfolder. (Make sure to keep track of all files you change when doing this, so you only have to include these in the installer rather than also a load of vanilla files). This basically how RS2 has been setup too. Now by using this method, you have all freedom to change the availability of units, buildings or traits per campaign. And you can even change entire factions if you want. While you still make use of many things of your base modification of RTR VII (the non-modfoldered one), which saves up on a lot of HD space and download size. You also have more flexibility to release campaigns as seperate entities rather than in one huge campaign pack, because all you have to do is add the modfolder to your game and you have another campaign.

C. The most straight forward option for you is probably to modify the RTR VII modfolder to suit your needs, as I think you were suggesting in your own post. This however too comes with the difficulty that at some point you will have to go to renaming your modfolder if you don't want people to have a full copy of RTW for each of your campaigns and still want them to be able to have more than one campaign installed at the time. And renaming the modfolder is less easy than it sounds... Not to mention that then each "campaign" has it's own modfodler with a lot of duplicate files.

Both of option A and B take a lot of work (the first because of complexity getting it to work and the later of both complexity and simply a massive time investment). And then you haven't even created your first campaign on said setup either. With option C you can dive straight into the campaign development, but will run into issues further down the road when the number of campaigns you create starts to increase. Out of these options, I think option B is your best bet in the long run. Especially if you consider that I made the original launcher for RS2 (which they worked on a lot after I handed it over), which if they allow you to use it, could be adapted to perfectly suit your needs for campaign management.

That should give you some food for thought

Originally Posted by Caligula Caesar

Nice proposal

My advice would be to try and break it down into achievable smaller goals, and build up from there.

Quoted this for importance. This is one of the reasons the original RTR 7 team fell apart and why the new RTR 7 (VII) started out with TIC, then FoE and only then the full campaign.

**ahowl11** · June 27, 2013, 10:03 PM

Okay, the plan is to release the main Imperial Campaign mod based on the Mundus Magnus Map and 280 BC - 14 AD first. Then I would get into all the other ideas. My reasoning is that I would use it as a base for all the other mods.

@Pat89
I am very much so interested in option 'B' because it does make a lot of sense. However, I would use RTRPE as a base instead of VII. However, it would be easier for me to pull the trigger on that option if someone was willing to do it. If it is as hard as you say it is, it will be extremely difficult for me to do, and would take a lot of time away from other areas of the mod. I am interested in Provincial Campaigns as well. I already know of a few I would like to include for the first mod.
So you believe that using RTRPE as my 'vanilla' could essentially make everything a lot easier for me in the long run? Because if I decide to do that, that eliminates at least three fourths of the units I need to add, faction symbols and models/textures among other things. I guess I am hesitant because I don't know how I would incorporate this new map in, especially with an already existing AOR system etc. I feel more comfortable changing the mod folder I have now labled as 'MM', incorporating the RTRPE files. However you make a great point and I would like to pursue it, I would just need someone who was trustworthy to incorporate that feature.

In other news, Anarchon has given me a launchable campaign map, and in the same day Philadelphos has given me his Rome Total History Mod (RTH) (which I am supposed to release to the public!) that in my opinion will have the best map in RTW modding, and that is saying a lot considering there are many great maps out there!
I have just sent the map files of RTH to Anarchon for him to implement into the map we are already using. Also we are testing and rebalancing the map, some areas are way too crowded while there are other areas where a settlement is needed.
For example:
I totally forgot about Ariminum
Dyrrachium, Apollonia and Scodra were right on top of each other. Dyrrachium will be replaced with Ariminum.
Istrus, Tomi, and Odessus are also very close. Istrus will be replaced with Heraclea Pontica.

I now will provide some eye candy.

This first picture is of the current map_regions file. My goal is to have the map balanced and focused towards the central while also being historically accurate. As mentioned above some editing is needed. The dimensions are 510x312

This next image is the map_heights file from RTH. I am looking to incorporate this into the current map. Notice the coastlines, major rivers and all of the islands.

Again, if any of you have access to old files of RTR that were unused, never released, private mods, mods that are not at TWC, and all of the submods that I mentioned above, please contact me! I cannot stress enough the importance that those could possibly bring. I would like to have as many options as I can.

EDIT: After some discussion, we have decided to take the RTH map by Philadelphos and expand it's dimensions to include all of the settlements and regions. This would save a lot of work because the original MM map is very inaccurate in many places.

**Pat89** · June 28, 2013, 07:04 PM

Yes, I think it makes it a lot easier in the long run. If you for example look at the strat map settlement models: if you change those in the "vanilla" mod, then these models will be used by every "campaign mod" by default. Just as how many mods make use of the vanilla settlement models. The same principle applies for basically all models, animations, textures and even a lot of text files. If you modfolder for example does not contain a file to specify the lighting, it will use the "vanilla" file. So when you at some point have 5 different scenarios and want to change the lighting, all you have to do is to mod the vanilla file and it will be applied to all your campaigns automatically. If you place all your unit textures inside vanilla, then when you retexture an existing unit, this skin will automatically be applied to all of your campaigns. Yet if you want to have a campaign with different lighting settings than all your other campaigns, all you have to do it put a modified lighting file inside your modfolder, which will then be used instead of your vanilla one. Maybe a bit weird example as I wouldn't know why you would want different lighting settings per scenario, but I hope you get the point

I exaggerated a bit on the difficulty of doing this. But the intention of that was to make you aware that it might cause you quite a bit of headache if you underestimate the task. It's the tiny things that make it difficult. As example: if there is a reference in the modfoldered RTRPE to a unit model in DMB, which says "..\RTRPE\Data\unit_models\triarii.cas", then if you move this DMB file outside of the modfolder into the vanilla data folder, it will never be able to find the model because it's referring specifically to the RTRPE modfolder. This means you have to manually check every file to make sure all external file paths are correct. That's a lot of work and not really that difficult, but you should be aware of it and not miss a single line, or you will get crashes. This same annoyance applies if you rename a modfolder btw without changing all file paths. And that's just one example of what can go wrong...

Also, since AOR is regulated by hidden_resources and hidden resources are defined in a map file, I think you could even change the AORs when using the provincial campaigns. Of course there will always be a limit of 64 (I think) HRs in EDB. But if you make a clever coding system, you can identify all 200 regions seperately with less HRs (like if you have HR A and HR B, region 1 can be identified if it has neither A or B, region 2 if it has both A and B, region 3 if it has A but not B and region 4 if it has B but not A, so with 2 HRs you can label 4 provinces). That way you can define what units, buildings, bonusses and everything else EDB related from province to province. Just throwing this out there in case you weren't aware.

**Mausolos of Caria** · June 29, 2013, 08:13 AM

Very impressive. The map looks good and the settlement list is well researched, also you got a decent balance between historical accuracy and well, balance, campaign wise. Just one little request, because RTW, every mod and TWR II does this mistake (at least in my opinion it is a mistake)

On Crete, if this is still possible, could you replace Kydonia with Gortyn? You'll find why here: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...enistic-period

In short, Gortyn was the most powerful polis on Crete between the age of Alexander and the wars against Rome (70-67 BC). Its greatest rival was Knossos, the age old residence of King Minos, which returned to its old strength during this age. Later, the Romans made Gortyn the capital of the province Creta et Cyrene as well. Kydonia was only a second-rank-power, though it also took parts in a number of the Cretan wars.

**ahowl11** · June 29, 2013, 10:40 AM

@Pat89

Thank you for the help, I think I could manage to do that.
I would need an example of the AOR to successfully implement that though, like some guidelines to follow.

@Mausolos, good Idea! I will make sure it happens. The Settlement list has changed somewhat. When we are finished with the map, I will provide a list of changes.

**ahowl11** · June 30, 2013, 02:33 AM

Can't sleep tonight, so I thought I would post something really quickly.

I've done some research for unit rosters for a few factions and here is what I have found:

For a Greek faction, their main troops recruitable after a certain building level:
Hoplites
Thureophoroi
Thorakitai
Phalangites
Peltasts
Xystophoroi

Then there is the common AOR in Greece:
Slingers
Skirmishers
Archers
Greek Irregulars (Doryphoroi)
Light Cavalry

Then the Unique AOR for the Greek faction only:
Spartan Hoplites
Athenian Hoplites
Corinthian Hoplites

For Macedon:
Leukaspides
Chalkaspides
Peltasts (Apparently the same as Greek Thureophoroi)
Hypaspists
Agema Hypaspists
Prodromoi
Hetairoi
Asthetairoi

AOR:
Deuteroi
Pezhetairoi

I would really appreciate it if I could get some help on how each unit should be represented when it comes to recruitment. Especially with the Greek and Hellenic factions. It seems like most of their troops were mercenaries, so that's why I made Pezhetairoi an AOR unit. As you can tell, I am not too sure about the above lists, but they all existed, I know that. I just want to represent how they were recruited correctly.

**Pat89** · June 30, 2013, 05:34 AM

Ill put something together for the AOR thing, im on my phone now so cant really go in depth to it.

Regarding Greek units, just look at RTR VII and read some unit descriptions. Theres a lot of info to be found.

**Pat89** · June 30, 2013, 10:31 AM

To get back on the resources... With only 10 different hidden_resources you can create 210 different combinations of 4.

So for the following list:

A
B
C
D
E
F
G
H
I
J

You can create these unique combinations:
(This can possibly be a lot more efficient, but 10 HRs isn't that much since you effectively dont need any other HRs anymore either and combinations of 4 is easier to code and works better in EDB)

List:

1 . ABCD
2 . ABCE
3 . ABCF
4 . ABCG
5 . ABCH
6 . ABCI
7 . ABCJ
8 . ABDE
9 . ABDF
10 . ABDG
11 . ABDH
12 . ABDI
13 . ABDJ
14 . ABEF
15 . ABEG
16 . ABEH
17 . ABEI
18 . ABEJ
19 . ABFG
20 . ABFH
21 . ABFI
22 . ABFJ
23 . ABGH
24 . ABGI
25 . ABGJ
26 . ABHI
27 . ABHJ
28 . ABIJ
29 . ACDE
30 . ACDF
31 . ACDG
32 . ACDH
33 . ACDI
34 . ACDJ
35 . ACEF
36 . ACEG
37 . ACEH
38 . ACEI
39 . ACEJ
40 . ACFG
41 . ACFH
42 . ACFI
43 . ACFJ
44 . ACGH
45 . ACGI
46 . ACGJ
47 . ACHI
48 . ACHJ
49 . ACIJ
50 . ADEF
51 . ADEG
52 . ADEH
53 . ADEI
54 . ADEJ
55 . ADFG
56 . ADFH
57 . ADFI
58 . ADFJ
59 . ADGH
60 . ADGI
61 . ADGJ
62 . ADHI
63 . ADHJ
64 . ADIJ
65 . AEFG
66 . AEFH
67 . AEFI
68 . AEFJ
69 . AEGH
70 . AEGI
71 . AEGJ
72 . AEHI
73 . AEHJ
74 . AEIJ
75 . AFGH
76 . AFGI
77 . AFGJ
78 . AFHI
79 . AFHJ
80 . AFIJ
81 . AGHI
82 . AGHJ
83 . AGIJ
84 . AHIJ
85 . BCDE
86 . BCDF
87 . BCDG
88 . BCDH
89 . BCDI
90 . BCDJ
91 . BCEF
92 . BCEG
93 . BCEH
94 . BCEI
95 . BCEJ
96 . BCFG
97 . BCFH
98 . BCFI
99 . BCFJ
100 . BCGH
101 . BCGI
102 . BCGJ
103 . BCHI
104 . BCHJ
105 . BCIJ
106 . BDEF
107 . BDEG
108 . BDEH
109 . BDEI
110 . BDEJ
111 . BDFG
112 . BDFH
113 . BDFI
114 . BDFJ
115 . BDGH
116 . BDGI
117 . BDGJ
118 . BDHI
119 . BDHJ
120 . BDIJ
121 . BEFG
122 . BEFH
123 . BEFI
124 . BEFJ
125 . BEGH
126 . BEGI
127 . BEGJ
128 . BEHI
129 . BEHJ
130 . BEIJ
131 . BFGH
132 . BFGI
133 . BFGJ
134 . BFHI
135 . BFHJ
136 . BFIJ
137 . BGHI
138 . BGHJ
139 . BGIJ
140 . BHIJ
141 . CDEF
142 . CDEG
143 . CDEH
144 . CDEI
145 . CDEJ
146 . CDFG
147 . CDFH
148 . CDFI
149 . CDFJ
150 . CDGH
151 . CDGI
152 . CDGJ
153 . CDHI
154 . CDHJ
155 . CDIJ
156 . CEFG
157 . CEFH
158 . CEFI
159 . CEFJ
160 . CEGH
161 . CEGI
162 . CEGJ
163 . CEHI
164 . CEHJ
165 . CEIJ
166 . CFGH
167 . CFGI
168 . CFGJ
169 . CFHI
170 . CFHJ
171 . CFIJ
172 . CGHI
173 . CGHJ
174 . CGIJ
175 . CHIJ
176 . DEFG
177 . DEFH
178 . DEFI
179 . DEFJ
180 . DEGH
181 . DEGI
182 . DEGJ
183 . DEHI
184 . DEHJ
185 . DEIJ
186 . DFGH
187 . DFGI
188 . DFGJ
189 . DFHI
190 . DFHJ
191 . DFIJ
192 . DGHI
193 . DGHJ
194 . DGIJ
195 . DHIJ
196 . EFGH
197 . EFGI
198 . EFGJ
199 . EFHI
200 . EFHJ
201 . EFIJ
202 . EGHI
203 . EGHJ
204 . EGIJ
205 . EHIJ
206 . FGHI
207 . FGHJ
208 . FGIJ
209 . FHIJ
210 . GHIJ

Now in EDB that would work out to for example (very simple example):

Rome = ABCD
Sparta = ABCE

Code:

building barracks
{
    levels barracks_1 barracks_2 barracks_3
    {
        barracks_1 requires factions { all, }
        {
            capability
            {
                ; Rome
                law_bonus bonus 1                     requires factions { all, } and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource C and hidden_resource D
                recruit "fac rome funditores"  0      requires factions { all, } and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource C and hidden_resource D
                
                ; Sparta
                law_bonus bonus 1                     requires factions { all, } and hidden_resource A and  hidden_resource B and hidden_resource C and hidden_resource E
                recruit "fac rome funditores"  0      requires factions {  all, } and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource C  and hidden_resource E
            }
            construction 1
            cost 400
            settlement_min village
            upgrades
            {
                ; Rome
                barracks_2 requires factions { all, } and hidden_resource A and hidden_resource B and hidden_resource C and hidden_resource D
                
                ; Sparta
                barracks_3 requires factions { all, } and hidden_resource A and  hidden_resource B and hidden_resource C and hidden_resource E
            }
        }

        barracks_2 requires factions { all, }
        {
            [...]
        }

        barracks_3 requires factions { all, }
        {
            [...]
        }
    }
}

Got to run now, but I hope you get the point?

**ahowl11** · June 30, 2013, 12:08 PM

Yup, got it! Thanks!

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