Anti-americanism - why is it so prevalent in the west?

[Dredd]

You make it seem the people from the USA are, actually, good samaritans. I am sorry, but every time they helped someone, mostly Europe after the WWs, they had in mind how much influence they would get and, how may I say? Ca$h. Countries like Brazil are only full of fools who don't get what the US had done and, may I say it still does?

What motivation did the US have after WWI? To secretly siphon German Reichmarks into the US coffers? Are you implying that the US is the evil of the evil? Well watch out Hitler, we've done more Genocides than you then.

I don't know what propaganda you read but I know for a fact the US are good samaritans. Hell, we send aid to Cuba, our mortal enemy who almost started WWIII. Dude, just because we help people does not mean we're trying to inject our evil seed into them so they can do our every bidding.

[Mangalore]

The "hatred" of Americans and Europeans is more that of siblings than anything. We might be the fiercest enemies in debate over tons of issues but it won't mean a thing once the hits the fan. At the end of of the day the US and Europe are the core of liberal and democratic thinking.

[Caelifer_1991]

Wellllllllll, insert American smug comment here. But seriously, D-Day is taught here that it was a Allies contribution. Those people that tell you US did all the work is just slightly dumb patriots who didn't pay attention to the text in their history books. However, I have a feeling if Japan was not stopped they would of tried to fight the USSR for their land back and would cause a shift of the armies. And when you have the two fiercest warriors of Asia fighting at the time, it'll need a lot of troops. Maybe allowing Germany to make another push through? Who knows, I don't have a time machine.

That whole American spirit or whatever these movies come up with is a load of bull. We just wanted to come and rip Hitler a new because a good chunk of the US military were Jewish. When we(Allies) won, the US felt they had to save Europe(post-WWII) because all it was was scorched land. You have to admit that without the Marshal Plan enacted by the US, most Western\Middle European countries would just started finally coming back from the aftermath of the war around 1970-1980.

EDIT: I'd like to add that I like all Europeans, just that it's pretty silly how they all hate us back considering how we bailed them out(both economically and militarily). I'm not just referencing to the World Wars but we came there in other times in need.

Well, regarding Japan, I'm fairly sure that an invasion through Siberia would have been logistically impossible for them - the warm water ports of the USSR and the few cities in the far east would be fair game, but the economic and industrial heartland would be entirely safe even without the the soviet military reacting to it at all. The Japanese would have to march for thousands of kilometres across some of the harshest areas on Earth, they'd face the same problems that the nazi's did in their winter invasion, but 10 times worse and across 10 times the distance.

As for the Marshal Plan, I agree that it was a great help to Europe, as was the positioning of US troops along the border with the USSR for decades after the war - I consider both of these things by themselves to be more significant than the US involvement in WW2 - and that's not just because I might perhaps think less of the US involvement in WW2 than some Americans, but because I value those measures thereafter as being more pivotal in the long run. The USSR was the main force that crushed the nazi's in terms of shear casualties and damage inflicted, as well as territory taken, and they could have simply carried on into western Europe, or at least used their influence to force most countries here to become Communist (or close to it) if they had wanted to, without the US to prevent them from doing so.

It's for these reasons, and the understanding that the idiots in America that shout their false version of history at the world are the minority, that allows me to have no hard feelings to America in general despite them, and in fact to appreciate it's involvement in Western history and generally to have positive sentiments towards the country. My sentiment is not uncommon though, a lot of people in the US seem to think that Europe hates them, it's not true at all - I mean we'll make fun of it and the particularly patriotic idiots within it forever but there's no genuine animosity there really, other than perhaps to those individuals.

P.S: I also echo Mangalore's point above

[Maiar93]

Mangalore nailed it. I fully echo his sentiment.

[Raubritter]

Anti-americanism - why is it so prevalent in the west?

Because the KGB funded leftwing newspapers without any obstruction by western security services for decades. And basicly the USA don't care about europe anymore and leave it over to the russians and chinese. And at some point, the europeans realy deserve this fate.



Klick picture to watch Video.

[mishkin]

Because the KGB funded leftwing newspapers without any obstruction by western security services for decades. And basicly the USA don't care about europe anymore and leave it over to the russians and chinese. And at some point, the europeans realy deserve this fate. Video.

So, europe is a puppet in the hands of the United States or russia?
Can you name any of these papers?
What fate? To be controlled by Russia rather than the U.S.?
Funny video. Sure even Reagan (RIP) would find it funny.

[Raubritter]

So, europe is a puppet in the hands of the United States or russia?
Can you name any of these papers?
What fate? To be controlled by Russia rather than the U.S.?
Funny video. Sure even Reagan (RIP) would find it funny.

He even speaks about people showing your reaction. "Oh these cold warriors, oh look at them how ridiculous, the KGB would never influence the public opinion towards more socialism".

[Copperknickers II]

He even speaks about people showing your reaction. "Oh these cold warriors, oh look at them how ridiculous, the KGB would never influence the public opinion towards more socialism".

You are aware that Russia is no longer communist, and the KGB no longer exists?

[mishkin]

He even speaks about people showing your reaction. "Oh these cold warriors, oh look at them how ridiculous, the KGB would never influence the public opinion towards more socialism".

That is all you have to say?

[Raubritter]

You are aware that Russia is no longer communist, and the KGB no longer exists?

Yo seriosly...

The KGB is the FSB now and the whole political class who controlled the USSR still is there and still is in control. Putins mission his whole life and then when he was in east germany was to keep the east under soviet control and bring the west under soviet control also.

Seriosly, just saying "Oh it doesn't exist anymore" when its still there everywhere, the red star is still in place on the russian military and they still hand out soviet medals, is so naiv that it becomes dangerous.

With leftwing media the russian gained more controll over the minds in the west than with russian Tanks and Workers Day Parades. Speaking out against capitalism and call capitalism is totaly accepted and the pussy middleclass in the west agrees, because they don't wanna be painted as radicals. But speaking out against social justice? "Equality"? "Population control"? Or "How are we going to be able to fairly distribute wealth in the future" ? There you see the KGB hidden agenda at work.

That is all you have to say?

What do you think i would have to say? Watch the Video. When you think everything is so funny what would i have to say to you.

[Love Mountain]

Yo seriosly...

The KGB is the FSB now and the whole political class who controlled the USSR still is there and still is in control. Putins mission his whole life and then when he was in east germany was to keep the east under soviet control and bring the west under soviet control also.

You're confusing networking with a conspiracy. While many KGB members have survived and built carriers in the Federation. There's no secret KGB conspiracy going on. Simply old co-workers using connections than anything else.

Seriosly, just saying "Oh it doesn't exist anymore" when its still there everywhere, the red star is still in place on the russian military and they still hand out soviet medals, is so naiv that it becomes dangerous.

You read too much Tom Clancy. Actually a book about the Mossad gave me a similar vibe.

[O'Hea]

So people on an internet forum entertaining moderately leftist ideas like progressive tax rates or social equality is proof of successful KGB psy-ops on the whole western world? [Citation needed]

[Condottiere 40K]

KGB membership has proved profitable for loyalists and entrepreneurs, and radioactively poisonous for detractors.

[Raubritter]

So people on an internet forum entertaining moderately leftist ideas like progressive tax rates or social equality is proof of successful KGB psy-ops on the whole western world? [Citation needed]

Yes. The KGB and the other leftwing frontgroups were successful. "Progressiv tax rates" and "social equality" are just codewords for socialism. The logic consequense of these demands is socialist policy. There is no "More free enterpraise" debate in Cuba.

Sukiyama
There's no secret KGB conspiracy going on.

KGB Major Anatoli Michailowitsch Golizyn and CZ General Jan Sejna defected during the cold war and tried to warn western security organs about that. No one was interested. You most likely never heard their names and you wanna tell me whats going on and whats not like just your wish-thinking would be a fact.

You read too much Tom Clancy. Actually a book about the Mossad gave me a similar vibe.

Tom Clancy, even i don't read his books, has some pretty good sources in the military industrial complex. For example the story of the first Ghost Recon, before pure entertainment took over. 2008 war with russia over south ossetia and georgia.
There is some entertainment that has real education value, not necessary about names and dates, but how things work out. On the other side people use their entertainment as education and even the Prez of the USA rather visits leftwing commedians than talk to the nation about serious issues. In europe the leftwing interlectual use leftwing cabaret as their education, even if its just dumbed down leftwing entertainment.
And then when you talk about freemasonry people think you read Dan Brown, and when you talk about such a topic as just i did people think you read Tom Clancy, because they themself never read real literature and everything left for them is entertainment.

[Love Mountain]

KGB Major Anatoli Michailowitsch Golizyn and CZ General Jan Sejna defected during the cold war and tried to warn western security organs about that. No one was interested. You most likely never heard their names and you wanna tell me whats going on and whats not like just your wish-thinking would be a fact.

I'm not trying to tell you what's going on. Merely informing you that what you're suggesting isn't lunacy, just improbable. There are plenty of explanations other than a worldwide conspiracy.

Tom Clancy, even i don't read his books, has some pretty good sources in the military industrial complex. For example the story of the first Ghost Recon, before pure entertainment took over. 2008 war with russia over south ossetia and georgia.

It's fiction that caters to a certain niche. It over-dramatizes and glorifies things that shouldn't be.

And then when you talk about freemasonry people think you read Dan Brown, and when you talk about such a topic as just i did people think you read Tom Clancy, because they themself never read real literature and everything left for them is entertainment.

I'm also a firm believer that freemasonry don't exist, and even if they did, their influence on the world is pitiful. Of course we always have people like to explain these plots for us.

[O'Hea]

Yes. The KGB and the other leftwing frontgroups were successful. "Progressiv tax rates" and "social equality" are just codewords for socialism. The logic consequense of these demands is socialist policy. There is no "More free enterpraise" debate in Cuba.

It's only a logical consequence if you're a screaming enthusiast for the slippery-slope fallacy. To hear you talk, you'd think we've been on the long slide towards Stalin since the moment we stopped following the Code of Hammurabi.

[Raubritter]

Sukiyama
I'm also a firm believer

Yeah, yeah you believe this and that and that there is no X and Y. Realy, whats the point in talking to you. Hell, whats the point in talking for yourself? You have no facts, sources, education about this, no nothing. If everything you wanna say is what you believe why don't you be quite or go to the religious part of the debate forum?

O'Hea
It's only a logical consequence if you're a screaming enthusiast for the slippery-slope fallacy.

Its in every case a logical consequence just as someone has to die if you want a new heart transplanted to some poor Timmy Cancer Child.
What do you think is behind the slogan of social justice? Whats the point in social justice?

First the socialists say its justice when we all pay a "fair share" of lets say 60% taxrate just as it is in most western countries today. Then they say "oh see those rich people, they have more than you and don't pay attention to the fact that you don't have more because we steal 60% of your stuff, just give into your envy." so then the "rich" need to pay... lets say 80% tax rates. And George Soros who finances socialist groups around the world spreads class warfare propaganda that his secretary would need to pay a higher tax rate than he. First, 10 % of 10.000 is more than 10 % of 5.000, so the rich pay already more. Even 5% of 100.000 are more than 10% of 5.000. But no, just appeal to the envy of the people and they will support socialism. Not even for themself in most cases, but just to plead their envy.

To hear you talk, you'd think we've been on the long slide towards Stalin since the moment we stopped following the Code of Hammurabi.

Books like The naked Communist were writen in the 1950 and they were right. Today after a long line of socalist presidents in the USA, the capital of "World capitalism", the actual president can make public statements about that the free market doesn't work and the redistribution of wealth. The socialists won the cold war. Not with Tanks and A-Bombs, but with class warfare, envy, and stupidity. The best weapon of your enemy is in your own head. Thats the lection of Art of War, the best tactician never has to fight.

[magpie]

Anti Wall street, Anti U.S. foreign policy. Anti U.S. federal politic,s.
The above do get quite a bad press apart from maybe FOX news.
The average U.S. citizen is not disliked by most people. Its just the people who run their lives.

[Love Mountain]

Yeah, yeah you believe this and that and that there is no X and Y. Realy, whats the point in talking to you. Hell, whats the point in talking for yourself? You have no facts, sources, education about this, no nothing. If everything you wanna say is what you believe why don't you be quite or go to the religious part of the debate forum?

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I am simply stating that your argument is ridiculous. I'm sorry but please point out to me where your facts, sources, and education is? Have you talked to Senators, any officials, and/or have tapes of NSA conversations? There are often cases of when the majority of the population does not realize or know something, but there are also theories and accusations that border on the absurd and non-existent.

Books like The naked Communist were writen in the 1950 and they were right. Today after a long line of socalist presidents in the USA, the capital of "World capitalism", the actual president can make public statements about that the free market doesn't work and the redistribution of wealth. The socialists won the cold war. Not with Tanks and A-Bombs, but with class warfare, envy, and stupidity. The best weapon of your enemy is in your own head. Thats the lection of Art of War, the best tactician never has to fight.

It looks like an intriguing piece of literature. However, it's not a primary source. You are drawing lines in the sand, but you're going to need some hard evidence if you're going to convince anyone. There's a different between being unable to grasp something, and being unwilling to. Frankly, I can see what you're pointing at, but the notion is ridiculous.

[O'Hea]

Its in every case a logical consequence just as someone has to die if you want a new heart transplanted to some poor Timmy Cancer Child.
What do you think is behind the slogan of social justice? Whats the point in social justice?

The point in social justice is to allow people to succeed on merit and not solely on inherited social advantage. I want to live in a country where people have opportunities to prove themselves regardless of their sex, race, religion, family background, sexual orientation, and the like. Systems of discrimination are obstacles to developing human capital.

First the socialists say its justice when we all pay a "fair share" of lets say 60% taxrate just as it is in most western countries today. Then they say "oh see those rich people, they have more than you and don't pay attention to the fact that you don't have more because we steal 60% of your stuff, just give into your envy." so then the "rich" need to pay... lets say 80% tax rates. And George Soros who finances socialist groups around the world spreads class warfare propaganda that his secretary would need to pay a higher tax rate than he. First, 10 % of 10.000 is more than 10 % of 5.000, so the rich pay already more. Even 5% of 100.000 are more than 10% of 5.000. But no, just appeal to the envy of the people and they will support socialism. Not even for themself in most cases, but just to plead their envy.

You know what? You don't go far enough. Flat taxes are clearly socialist because they make the rich pay more money in absolute terms. We need the state to run only on regressive fees and head taxes or else it's unfair to the elite. Anyone too poor to pay these taxes should be forced to work the debt off immediately. To argue otherwise is class warfare, sir, and I will have none of it. And for that matter, why do poor people get to vote anyway?

Books like The naked Communist were writen in the 1950 and they were right. Today after a long line of socalist presidents in the USA, the capital of "World capitalism", the actual president can make public statements about that the free market doesn't work and the redistribution of wealth. The socialists won the cold war. Not with Tanks and A-Bombs, but with class warfare, envy, and stupidity. The best weapon of your enemy is in your own head. Thats the lection of Art of War, the best tactician never has to fight.

The fact that you can simultaneously believe that America is the heart of global capitalism AND that we've been ruled by a long series of socialists really says all that needs to be said. You would think that socialist leaders would either change the capitalist system, or the capitalist system would reject socialist leaders, especially if the two are mortal enemies as you would have us believe.

Also, Sukiyama: of course freemasonry is real, you could go join them if you wanted to. Search for "Masonic lodge" on google maps and you'll find plenty. But, they're a fraternal and charitable organization with next to no real power and steadily declining membership. I could never for the life of me figure out why they're the subject of so many conspiracy theories.