Where r the Achean league and Aetolian league??

[huascar]

Where r the Achean league and Aetolian league?? they fought with Rome and Sparta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achean_League
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_...80%93217_BC%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...h_%28146_BC%29

[huascar]

dont u think they deserve to be in the game. post ur views

[Sherm]

There already several topic about that
You probably will not see this leagues in the game, for design they choose to use for that area only Sparta, Athens, Epirus, and Macedon Kingdom

[HusKatten]

It is what it is. Most people don't know that Greece partly consisted of leagues. And that's pretty much it.

[Noif de Bodemloze]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...lly-inaccurate

[Woodrow Skillson]

There is not enough room in the campaign map to encompass Epirus, Athens, Sparta, Macedon, and then both leagues. The game is very Hellenistic as it is when Egypt and Pontus are also considered, not to mention the rather likely DLC of Seleucia. There are not even enough regions to support those factions in a meaningful way since the only way to do it would be cramming a disproportionate amount of regions into Greece. That would make Greece the most valuable area in the game by far, which is not balanced or historical.

[Rhaegar1]

Perhaps one or both of the leagues can be emerging if the circumstances are right?

[torongill]

Where's the Horse and the Rider?
Where's the horn that was blowing?
Why don't people look over the forum
And read what others have written?

To write or not to write?
There is no question.
'Tis better in the mind to plaster
One's ignorance before whole forum,
Admit not knowing what "Search" stands for.
And by oft-repeated thread disgrace oneself.

Another thread with the same question.

[Sherm]

Personally I think that we have a great number of hellenic faction. And that era the greek cities and league are decaying, but if a player want to rebuild the old glory and more of the hellenes probably choose Sparta or Athens.

[Anibal at portas]

i prefer achean league and aetolian league is historically correct.for example sparta was a city of third category in this epoch.

[Emperor Domitianus]

The problem is that CA guys have been forced to make areas with so many mini factions that would have been crazy. The presence of Athen and Sparta gives the perfect sense of the two leagues.

[Darth_Revan]

over 100 factions and they can't include the Achean and Aetolian leagues?! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

[Emperor Domitianus]

C'mon people. They have gone far than any TW game since and you are whining only for this small feature?

[Dan113112]

over 100 factions and they can't include the Achean and Aetolian leagues?! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Sarcasm? . . .

[Darth_Revan]

Sarcasm? . . .

Maybe.. Maybe not..





being somewhat serious, they could have added them in. Or maybe it will be a dlc add-on.

[oOIYvYIOo]

Leagues .They were more cities allied for a determinated period nothing else under the order of 1 people .
Why should they be considered as a faction in Rome 2 ?
Many betrayed their leagues and allies when seing that the league was loosing.
No reason for doing that and you already have a bit of that , the regions that are given to Sparta and Epirus are the ones that were part of those leagues consisted in several cities.

You just need to have a bit more of understanding,imagination and comprehension and you will see that CA always try and stays very close to realism than any other game.

[Jokern]

Based on spartan_warrior's map, the Hellas province seem to include the regions Sparta, Athenai, Crete and Rhodes. There simply isn't room for the many Greek city states. So CA decided to go with to well-known factions and I'm happy with that. It sounds a lot more interesting to play as Sparta or Athens than the Aetolian or Achean Leagues.

[Durnaug]

I think it is great that Sparta is in the game but the leagues need representation - surely there is no harm in adding 2 more regions in Greece? It seems fitting. Reduce Spartan territory for a start.

I hope the damn game can be modded.

[Sol Invictus]

I also would have liked to see the two Leagues as factions but I can understand why CA went with Athens and Sparta instead since very few people know who the hell the Achean and Aetolian Leagues were or have even heard their names and Athens and Sparta are so iconic. I just think of Athens and Sparta as representatives of the two Leagues. Sure it isn't a perfect fit but it works for me. Hopefully modders can change the names to actually represent the Leagues or change the borders to include the Leagues.

[neoptolemos]

Perhaps few people know this:

It is generally perceived that with the later Battle of Pydna, this defeat demonstrates the superiority of the Roman legion over the Macedonian phalanx. The phalanx, though very powerful head on, was not as flexible as the Roman manipular formation. However, closer analysis of the details on the Cynoscephalae battle (as well as those of Pydna later) does not confirm this hypothesis, especially considering the tactical events of both battles; the Roman legions were unable to confront Philip's phalanxes head on nor were they able to outflank them. The single most important factor that kept Romans from falling apart had actually been their local Aetolian allies who could manage breakthroughs. However the most revealing fact - and what seems to had also been the turning point in the later battle of Pydna - had been the suspicious repeated action of the Companion cavalry which fled the scene at a most crucial point, leaving the infantry uncovered, thus permitting the Romans and their local allies to finally outflank Philip's phalanxes. Suspicions of treason are further strengthened by the fact that following Cynoscephalae, integral parts of the Macedonian kingdom like Orestis instantly broke off becoming Roman allies and that four decades later, following the battle of Pydna, numerous Macedonian pro-Roman aristocracies waged a political pogrom against anti-Roman political opponents. A complete analysis of both battles and ensuing events establishes the Roman victory foremost as a political one rather than military/tactical.

The result of the battle of Cynoscephalae broke the political backbone of the Macedonian kingdom rather than the actual military one - the kingdom would never again be in a position to challenge Rome's geopolitical expansion. Although the peace that followed allowed Philip to keep his kingdom intact, Flamininus proclaimed that other Greek states previously under Macedonian domination were now free. Philip also had to pay 1,000 talents of silver to Rome, disband his navy, most of his army, and send his son to Rome as a hostage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cynoscephalae

Just to add to the importance of the Aetolians for the Romans.Hadn't be there, the Roman wouldn't have won the battle.