Thebes and Corinth as factions?

[Lord Tomyris]

On the Athens faction description page, I read:

Forever influential, but still not fully independent of Macedonian rule, Athens has the opportunity to break free and potentially found a third Athenian League, asserting authority over long term allies and adversaries alike, such as Sparta, Thebes and Corinth.

Is this merely 'flavour text', so to speak, or will Thebes and Corinth be included as factions in the game? Only, there doesn't appear to be room on the campaign map for them...

[Himster]

This one year turn business has really limited the size/number of provinces.

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

Historically Corinth should me Macedonian and one of the 4 mighty Garrisons in Greek. Later it was independent, but all the time after Alexandria and together with Carthage probably the 2th largest city in the mediterranean world. It would be a shame not have the city included. The Problem is that in early screens of the "map" Archea is only one region. There is no sub region which could be Corinth.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

No.... Syracuse and Massilia deserve more to be endependant factions.

[Woodrow Skillson]

This one year turn business has really limited the size/number of provinces.

How so?

[Stath's]

Yes, i read that and that brings many hopes...

[CyberianK]

Thebes and Corith boeth lie within the borders of the ONE Athens faction home region in Rome2.

So there is no way they can be a faction. Of course there could be some other mechanic or map object tied to them.

[Huberto]

Much, much stronger argument for Aetolian League.

[Gondolin]

I hope there are include as faction even if Corinth bacame an independant faction later in the game like an emerging faction.

[Emperor Domitianus]

All is based on how they have organized the regions and the provinces.

[RexImperator]

No.... Syracuse and Massilia deserve more to be endependant factions.

The one does not preclude the other.

[Lord Tomyris]

The one does not preclude the other.

Well said.

[Grimbold]

They're already inside the starting territory of Athens

[Sanguinary Guardian]

Why on Earth should Corinth and Thebes be independent factions? Corinth did nothing spectacular, apart from being occupied by the Antigonids, trying to rebel, re-claimed by the Macedonians and then conquered by the Achaean League. The heyday of Thebes is also long before the game's start. I mean, I can understand why Sparta and Athens are in, the first was very active at that time (albeit with Hellenistic army instead of Classical), and the second, well it's Athens. It's not classical Athens, but still. Epirus had to be in, it was a major player at that time, even after Pyrrhus. But I see no reason fro more City States. I would have taken Pegamon or even Rhodes over Athens any day.

[jsully16]

Keep in mind: There are over 100 factions in the game and not many more provinces than factions. It's possible that not only will factions have ONE province (Parthia, Iceni, Sparta, etc) but some might have some cities in a province but not even an entire province.

[Sanguinary Guardian]

I thought I've read somewhere that there are 57 provinces. If that is so, the claim of 100 factions seems outlandish.

[Mausolos of Caria]

Totally agree with Prometheus, Lepdius and Sanguinary Guardian. Thebes was destroyed by Alexander and alhough Cassander refounded it, it was rather insignificant during this period, while Corinth was a Macedonian garrison. In that aspect it must have a great fortress and a wealthy harbour to show how the Antigonids controlled Southern Greece from there.

@ Guardian Yeah 57 provinces and 183 regions (so about 3 per province). I'm really worried about Greece right now, if the artistical represantation is anywhere near the true campaign map there's no space for the Aitolian and Achaian League

[Sanguinary Guardian]

@ Guardian Yeah 57 provinces and 183 regions (so about 3 per province). I'm really worried about Greece right now, if the artistical represantation is anywhere near the true campaign map there's no space for the Aitolian and Achaian League

Perhaps they are emergent, even though they shouldn't be. Perhaps the victory conditions of either Sparta or Athens consist in forming one of the two leagues. I try to be optimistic, even though after the Teutoburg walkthrough and the Day1 "Free" DLC news, I am rather worried.

[Mausolos of Caria]

Perhaps they are emergent, even though they shouldn't be. Perhaps the victory conditions of either Sparta or Athens consist in forming one of the two leagues. I try to be optimistic, even though after the Teutoburg walkthrough and the Day1 "Free" DLC news, I am rather worried.

Yeah that wouldn't make the most sense but I'd not rule it out that CA could do that... The Spartan campaign as well as the Macedon campaign would be boring without the Achaian League and without Corinth as a Macedonian stronghold. The Aitolian League on the other hand should prove good competition for Macedon and Epiros and we could see both sides trying to get the Aitolians on their side. So it also makes sense in Gameplay terms, especially because the three playable factions wouldn't be too close to each other.

[Woodrow Skillson]

I thought I've read somewhere that there are 57 provinces. If that is so, the claim of 100 factions seems outlandish.

Most are just going to be cookie cutter factions I assume. With for example the Teutones and Cimbri being nearly the same as the Suebi but with green clothes or something. I imagine it is set up this way to allow you to go to war with individual "neutral" regions and trade with others, instead of the old way of having one "rebel" faction that you were always at war with. Plus with 183 regions, a lot of the factions will just have one region to call the own as opposed to the 2-5 regions the playable factions will have.