Modding Questions and Help Thread

**Withwnar** · June 13, 2015, 10:20 PM

It means that line/capability is absent during the player's turn. e.g. The AI might have population growth bonuses, or different replenishment rates for their units, or whatever really.

**♔atthias♔** · June 14, 2015, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by Withwnar

It means that line/capability is absent during the player's turn. e.g. The AI might have population growth bonuses, or different replenishment rates for their units, or whatever really.

thanks for the answer
greetings atthias

**♔atthias♔** · June 14, 2015, 09:11 AM

hello everybody I have question
have somebody an Idea what I have done wrong
this is what I have done

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an my log say this 15:45:44.771 [data.invalid] [error] DATABASE_TABLE error found : ids must be unique, non-unique entry rivendell spearmen found in file mods/Third_Age_3/data/export_descr_unit.txt.have somebody an Idea what I have done wrong NOTE I have a backup
sorrry for bothering you whit myy questions
and sorry for my bad english
greetings atthias

**bushmonster951** · June 14, 2015, 09:29 AM

It looks like you accidentally deleted the space in front of "dictionary rivendell_spearmen" line and this is probably the reason your game crashes.

Change this:

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Into this:

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**♔atthias♔** · June 14, 2015, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by bushmonster951

It looks like you accidentally deleted the space in front of "dictionary rivendell_spearmen" line and this is probably the reason your game crashes.

Change this:

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Into this:

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that is a mistake of the site in my EDU everything is normal
but thanks for trying
greetings atthias

**bushmonster951** · June 14, 2015, 01:20 PM

Found a solution for your problem. It's that you have a duplicate of every High Elven unit and the game cannot read the same entries for two different units.

P.S. I just tested it in my game and this is what the log showed:

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So to solve this just delete the duplicates or rename them to something else, but then don't forget to edit EDB, export_units.txt and also campaign_script.txt and descr_strat.txt if necessary.

**Ajpav** · June 14, 2015, 02:46 PM

Also - did you delete the same Number of units that you added?

The EDU is capped 500 units - any more and the game will not work.

To check your unit count:
1) hit Ctrl+F in Notepad++,
2) type "Ownership"
3) then hit the "Count" button

- the number of units that you have will be that number - 1 (because the 1st instance of ownership is in the example up top)

- Hope that helps mate!

**♔atthias♔** · June 15, 2015, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Ajpav

Also - did you delete the same Number of units that you added?

The EDU is capped 500 units - any more and the game will not work.

To check your unit count:
1) hit Ctrl+F in Notepad++,
2) type "Ownership"
3) then hit the "Count" button

- the number of units that you have will be that number - 1 (because the 1st instance of ownership is in the example up top)

- Hope that helps mate!

thanks for the help
maybe I can better give an examlple what I wil do so that you can say what I must do to reach that

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what the red line does in this example [giving the AI different stats recruit pools and so on] I wil also do that whit uints if that is possible
sorry for bothering you whit my quetions
and if this is against any rules morderators feel free to delete this post
sorry for my bad english
greetings atthias

**alreadyded** · June 15, 2015, 04:37 PM

You would be better off giving the AI less money (kingspurse and money scripts) to spend as making the replenishment different for the AI will throw the game balance all out of whack in every way, especially early on. You could make it so this doesn't kick in until like turn 100, but even then it would still affect game balance dramatically.

Currently in vanilla TATW the AI gets crap loads of money (it never has to worry about money) and it has nothing to spend that money on except units after it builds the few buildings available. Also, replenishment rates increase with building upgrades. So removing these increases and/or giving the AI more stuff to spend money on (buildings) or less money overall to spend should help without ruining the balance.

Also you have your code mixed up; it should be 0.05 for the AI (and event_counter is_the_ai 1), and 0.08 for the player (and event_counter is_the_ai 0). The higher the number the faster the unit replenishes.

**orclover5** · June 15, 2015, 11:13 PM

Can someone explain the best way to test a campaign...I want to watch the AI but do not necessarily want to participate...also I would like to be able to change factions mid campaign to be able to see how recruitment and building is going as I will be adding scripts and counters that mess with these things...thanks

**Withwnar** · June 16, 2015, 04:38 AM

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...mod-s-campaign

Just be aware that it's HotSeat and therefore some scripts won't work correctly.

**♔atthias♔** · June 16, 2015, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by alreadyded

You would be better off giving the AI less money (kingspurse and money scripts) to spend as making the replenishment different for the AI will throw the game balance all out of whack in every way, especially early on. You could make it so this doesn't kick in until like turn 100, but even then it would still affect game balance dramatically.

Currently in vanilla TATW the AI gets crap loads of money (it never has to worry about money) and it has nothing to spend that money on except units after it builds the few buildings available. Also, replenishment rates increase with building upgrades. So removing these increases and/or giving the AI more stuff to spend money on (buildings) or less money overall to spend should help without ruining the balance.

Also you have your code mixed up; it should be 0.05 for the AI (and event_counter is_the_ai 1), and 0.08 for the player (and event_counter is_the_ai 0). The higher the number the faster the unit replenishes.

thanks for the help
greetings atthias

**orclover5** · June 16, 2015, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Withwnar

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...mod-s-campaign

Just be aware that it's HotSeat and therefore some scripts won't work correctly.

Thanks, are there specific scripts that won't work? Or is it random?

**Withwnar** · June 16, 2015, 11:49 PM

Find The Ring, for one. It works, just not correctly. Others: I don't know. The seasons script and therefore aging (too quickly) might be another but I'm not certain.

**orclover5** · June 29, 2015, 10:13 PM

I have a couple of script questions: I have been working on a script off and on for a long while, attempting to use counters to add a resource and prestige system in the game..Before I continue I want to check if my script could be made more efficient...

The goal of the script is create counters for iron, wood, leather, stone, dunedain blood, and eventually food and prestige...I will only paste in the iron version because the rest will be identical with the key word iron replaced with the other resources when appropriate. The script must allow the player to check their amounts via the settlement scroll, the counter must decrease when units needing the resources are trained...and counters must be created when a faction has run out of a resource...I also would like to add some of this to AI factions as well, see if it can be a decent counter to stack spam.

Questions 1: Can it be made more efficient and where?
Question 2: Can the ai use the dunedain ranger script to recruit rangers if they are eriador...

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**Withwnar** · June 30, 2015, 12:47 AM

and counters must be created when a faction has run out of a resource

I guess you haven't done that part yet, and by "created" you mean set/increased? That's an important part of the puzzle so it is difficult to comment fully without it.

Can the ai use the dunedain ranger script to recruit rangers if they are eriador

As it stands, no. The event counter is only ever set to 1 when the player is turks, so will remain 0 for the AI. But it depends on how that event counter is used in EDB: if you want the AI to recruit them regardless of this script then you could do this...

Code:

recruit_pool "Dunedain Rangers"  1   0.07   1  0  requires factions { turks, } and event_counter is_the_ai 1  ;AI recruitment
recruit_pool "Dunedain Rangers"  1   0.07   1  0  requires factions { turks, } and event_counter Dunedain_Rangers 1 and not event_counter is_the_ai 1 ;player recruitment

...but if you want the AI to have the same rules as the player then you'll need to change your last monitor to this:

Code:

and UnitType Dunedain Rangers
and FactionIsLocal
and I_LocalFaction turks
and FactionType turks

But then you'd have AI factions altering your counters which is bad because these counters are global, not faction-specific. e.g. Every time the AI recruits Rangers iron_available drops which will impact how much iron your faction has as well. See next...

I also would like to add some of this to AI factions as well, see if it can be a decent counter to stack spam.

Then you will need a set of those counters, and the event counters, for each faction. Which means all of that script will need duplicating per faction, and you'd need to remove the "local" conditions of course.

The script must allow the player to check their amounts via the settlement scroll

So the aim is, when clicking a settlement's advice button, to show six historic_event messages - one for each resource type? That's okay but a little clunky for the player, having to close six scrolls each time. And if you want to use your own image for these messages - instead of the default "monk" one - then you'll need 42 of them just for iron ... 252 in total (6 resource types) = ~50MB.

An alternative could be traits on the faction leader, one for each resource type. That way the player can always see them if they wish to and all at once.

e.g.
Faction Iron: 250
Faction Wood: 300
etc.

P.S. Please use [CODE][/CODE] tags for script/code. [QUOTE][/QUOTE] loses the formatting which makes it harder to read.

**orclover5** · June 30, 2015, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Withwnar

I guess you haven't done that part yet, and by "created" you mean set/increased? That's an important part of the puzzle so it is difficult to comment fully without it.

As it stands, no. The event counter is only ever set to 1 when the player is turks, so will remain 0 for the AI. But it depends on how that event counter is used in EDB: if you want the AI to recruit them regardless of this script then you could do this...

Code:

recruit_pool "Dunedain Rangers"  1   0.07   1  0  requires factions { turks, } and event_counter is_the_ai 1  ;AI recruitment
recruit_pool "Dunedain Rangers"  1   0.07   1  0  requires factions { turks, } and event_counter Dunedain_Rangers 1 and not event_counter is_the_ai 1 ;player recruitment

...but if you want the AI to have the same rules as the player then you'll need to change your last monitor to this:

Code:

and UnitType Dunedain Rangers
and FactionIsLocal
and I_LocalFaction turks
and FactionType turks

But then you'd have AI factions altering your counters which is bad because these counters are global, not faction-specific. e.g. Every time the AI recruits Rangers iron_available drops which will impact how much iron your faction has as well. See next...

Then you will need a set of those counters, and the event counters, for each faction. Which means all of that script will need duplicating per faction, and you'd need to remove the "local" conditions of course.

So the aim is, when clicking a settlement's advice button, to show six historic_event messages - one for each resource type? That's okay but a little clunky for the player, having to close six scrolls each time. And if you want to use your own image for these messages - instead of the default "monk" one - then you'll need 42 of them just for iron ... 252 in total (6 resource types) = ~50MB.

An alternative could be traits on the faction leader, one for each resource type. That way the player can always see them if they wish to and all at once.

e.g.
Faction Iron: 250
Faction Wood: 300
etc.

P.S. Please use [CODE][/CODE] tags for script/code. loses the formatting which makes it harder to read.

Thanks so much for your help...I love the idea of adding the resource amounts as traits but have never created traits or ancilliaries. Just modified existing ones. This is where I am starting

monitor_event CharacterSelected CharacterIsLocal
and CharFactionType turks
and IsFactionLeader
if I_CompareCounter dunedain_available >= 48
and I_CompareCounter dunedain_available < 72
console_command give_trait this dunedainlessthan72
end_if
end_monitor

Obviously this is just for one resource monitor...As you know the resource amount script goes up to 30000, so there will be many more if/and phrases..... Will I need to remove each possible trait to add a new one? Will each resource amount previous show in the leader trait screen?

I think I know how to make the traits in desc_character traits, and I know how to add them in as text, just worried this script could get out of control. Thanks again for the help.

**Withwnar** · July 01, 2015, 03:27 AM

You're welcome. Always happy to help those who appreciate it.

I forgot to mention this...

monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType turks
and I_LocalFaction turks
and I_CompareCounter iron_available <= 100
and I_CompareCounter wood_available <= 100
and I_CompareCounter leather_available <= 100
and I_CompareCounter dunedain_available <= 100
set_event_counter Dunedain_Rangers 0

end_monitor

You're saying that rangers are recruitable until all of those resources are too low. Should it not be: recruitable until at least one resource is too low?

Also, your script wasn't handling the case of iron being between 30,000 and 35,000.

just worried this script could get out of control

Yes, I would be worried about that too.

Six (resource) duplicates is not so bad but [6 x faction_count] duplicates is 78 in vanilla. Personally I would probably not attempt it for AI factions, for that reason, not to mention that no xxxSelected events can be used for the AI.

monitor_event CharacterSelected CharacterIsLocal
and CharFactionType turks
and IsFactionLeader
if I_CompareCounter dunedain_available >= 48
and I_CompareCounter dunedain_available < 72
console_command give_trait this dunedainlessthan72
end_if
end_monitor

You could do it with script like that but a major problem is that "this" can only be used with CharacterSelected which doesn't fire when the character is inside anything (settlement, fort, ship, another's army). So the traits won't refresh until the leader is outside.

Your stock levels are adjusted by end-of-turn things so using CharacterTurnStart instead would do the trick. i.e. The traits only need refreshing once per turn anyway, at the start of a new turn. As "this" can't be used with CharacterTurnStart, and we don't know his name either, the only solution is to use trait triggers for giving him and refreshing his traits ... not script.

Counters can't be used with trait/anc triggers but event counters can. So the "available" counters will need to be changed into event counters. Or, keep them as counters and use them to set some new event counters which in turn are used by the triggers.

And if script needs to adjust the "available" counters in any way (e.g. increasing them) and those changes need to be reflected in the traits this turn then make sure it is done before CharacterTurnStart, i.e. in PreFactionTurnStart.

Example...

For Iron and Wood. I'm only showing for the cases of 48, 72, 96, 30000 and "maxed" (above 30000), with "..." or "...others..." where the other levels need to be added.

Code:

;============= Iron Resource ==============
  
;------------------------------------------
Trait Iron_00048
    Characters family

    Level Iron_00048
        Description Iron_00048_desc
        EffectsDescription Iron_00048_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait Iron_00072
    Characters family

    Level Iron_00072
        Description Iron_00072_desc
        EffectsDescription Iron_00072_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait Iron_00096
    Characters family

    Level Iron_00096
        Description Iron_00096_desc
        EffectsDescription Iron_00096_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
;------------------------------------------
;...others...
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait Iron_30000
    Characters family

    Level Iron_30000
        Description Iron_30000_desc
        EffectsDescription Iron_30000_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait Iron_maxed
    Characters family

    Level Iron_maxed
        Description Iron_maxed_desc
        EffectsDescription Iron_maxed_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
;============= Wood Resource ==============
  
;------------------------------------------
Trait Wood_00048
    Characters family

    Level Wood_00048
        Description Wood_00048_desc
        EffectsDescription Wood_00048_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait Wood_00072
    Characters family

    Level Wood_00072
        Description Wood_00072_desc
        EffectsDescription Wood_00072_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait Wood_00096
    Characters family

    Level Wood_00096
        Description Wood_00096_desc
        EffectsDescription Wood_00096_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
;------------------------------------------
;...others...
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait Wood_30000
    Characters family

    Level Wood_30000
        Description Wood_30000_desc
        EffectsDescription Wood_30000_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait Wood_maxed
    Characters family

    Level Wood_maxed
        Description Wood_maxed_desc
        EffectsDescription Wood_maxed_effects_desc
        Threshold 1

        
        
        
;==========================================        
;============= Triggers ===================
;==========================================

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Resources_clear_all_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal

    ;remove all resource traits  
      
    Affects Iron_00048 -1 Chance 100
    Affects Iron_00072 -1 Chance 100
    Affects Iron_00096 -1 Chance 100
    ;...
    Affects Iron_30000 -1 Chance 100
    Affects Iron_maxed -1 Chance 100

    Affects Wood_00048 -1 Chance 100
    Affects Wood_00072 -1 Chance 100
    Affects Wood_00096 -1 Chance 100
    ;...
    Affects Wood_30000 -1 Chance 100
    Affects Wood_maxed -1 Chance 100

;============= Iron Resource ==============

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Iron_00048_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter iron_level = 48

    Affects Iron_00048 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Iron_00072_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter iron_level = 72

    Affects Iron_00072 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Iron_00096_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter iron_level = 96

    Affects Iron_00096 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
;...others...

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Iron_30000_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter iron_level = 30000

    Affects Iron_30000 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Iron_maxed_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter iron_level = 99999

    Affects Iron_maxed 1 Chance 100
    

;============= Wood Resource ==============

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Wood_00048_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter wood_level = 48

    Affects Wood_00048 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Wood_00072_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter wood_level = 72

    Affects Wood_00072 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Wood_00096_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter wood_level = 96

    Affects Wood_00096 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
;...others...

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Wood_30000_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter wood_level = 30000

    Affects Wood_30000 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Wood_maxed_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter wood_level = 99999

    Affects Wood_maxed 1 Chance 100

Script:

Code:

monitor_event PreFactionTurnStart FactionIsLocal

  ;default to "maxed"
  set_event_counter iron_level 99999
  set_event_counter wood_level 99999
  
  ;iron...
  
  if I_CompareCounter iron_available < 30000
    set_event_counter iron_level 30000
  end_if
  ;...others...
  if I_CompareCounter iron_available < 96
    set_event_counter iron_level 96
  end_if
  if I_CompareCounter iron_available < 72
    set_event_counter iron_level 72
  end_if
  if I_CompareCounter iron_available < 48
    set_event_counter iron_level 48
  end_if

  ;wood...
  
  if I_CompareCounter wood_available < 30000
    set_event_counter wood_level 30000
  end_if
  ;...others...
  if I_CompareCounter wood_available < 96
    set_event_counter wood_level 96
  end_if
  if I_CompareCounter wood_available < 72
    set_event_counter wood_level 72
  end_if
  if I_CompareCounter wood_available < 48
    set_event_counter wood_level 48
  end_if

end_monitor

The first trait trigger removes all resource traits from the leader, by subtracting 1 from every trait to bring it back to 0 (and therefore hidden). Most will already be 0 anyway but that's okay: trait values never go below 0, so using -1 on a trait that is currently 0 will not make it -1; it will stay at 0. A very handy shortcut.

The script sets an event counter (e.g. iron_level) based on what the "available" counter is. e.g. "iron_level = 48" represents "iron_available < 48", and that is how the triggers interpret it. 99999 represents "maxed" (>=30000).

Alternatively you could make the "available" counters event counters instead (as I said before) and use them directly in the triggers:

Code:

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Iron_00072_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter iron_available >= 48
      and I_EventCounter iron_available < 72

    Affects Iron_00072 1 Chance 100

It's probably easier to follow that way. But if you were to use this for multiple factions at once (i.e. the AI as well, or hotseat) then my way is better because all of those trait triggers can be used for all factions; no need to duplicate for each faction (the script will need to be, though).

Notice in the script I only did this...

Code:

  if I_CompareCounter wood_available < 72
    set_event_counter wood_level 72
  end_if

...not this...

Code:

  if I_CompareCounter wood_available < 72
    and I_CompareCounter wood_available >= 48
    set_event_counter wood_level 72
  end_if

...and that I put the IFs in descending order (30000 at the top, 48 at the bottom). It's just another shortcut to reduce script length. I can explain further if necessary.

For trait names I used e.g. Iron_00072 instead of Iron_72. It doesn't need to be that way.

EDIT: one flaw: if your leader dies in your own turn (i.e. in a battle) then the new leader won't have the traits until next turn so you'll be in the dark until then. Also, if the leader was ever sent off map then naturally you won't have this resource info at all until he comes back. I don't think that happens in TATW and no idea how common it is in submods but in DCI: Last Alliance it is possible to have an off-map leader.

Actually, there's no need to limit this to just the leader. You could remove the IsFactionLeader condition from the triggers; every general would have the info then, though I wonder if that might add some end of turn lag. Or you could give it to just diplomats, for example.

**orclover5** · July 01, 2015, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Withwnar

You're welcome. Always happy to help those who appreciate it.

I forgot to mention this...

You're saying that rangers are recruitable until all of those resources are too low. Should it not be: recruitable until at least one resource is too low?

Also, your script wasn't handling the case of iron being between 30,000 and 35,000.

Yes, I would be worried about that too.

Six (resource) duplicates is not so bad but [6 x faction_count] duplicates is 78 in vanilla. Personally I would probably not attempt it for AI factions, for that reason, not to mention that no xxxSelected events can be used for the AI.

You could do it with script like that but a major problem is that "this" can only be used with CharacterSelected which doesn't fire when the character is inside anything (settlement, fort, ship, another's army). So the traits won't refresh until the leader is outside.

Your stock levels are adjusted by end-of-turn things so using CharacterTurnStart instead would do the trick. i.e. The traits only need refreshing once per turn anyway, at the start of a new turn. As "this" can't be used with CharacterTurnStart, and we don't know his name either, the only solution is to use trait triggers for giving him and refreshing his traits ... not script.

Counters can't be used with trait/anc triggers but event counters can. So the "available" counters will need to be changed into event counters. Or, keep them as counters and use them to set some new event counters which in turn are used by the triggers.

And if script needs to adjust the "available" counters in any way (e.g. increasing them) and those changes need to be reflected in the traits this turn then make sure it is done before CharacterTurnStart, i.e. in PreFactionTurnStart.

Example...

For Iron and Wood. I'm only showing for the cases of 48, 72, 96, 30000 and "maxed" (above 30000), with "..." or "...others..." where the other levels need to be added.

Code:

;============= Iron Resource ==============
  
;------------------------------------------
Trait Iron_00048
    Characters family

    Level Iron_00048
        Description Iron_00048_desc
        EffectsDescription Iron_00048_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait Iron_00072
    Characters family

    Level Iron_00072
        Description Iron_00072_desc
        EffectsDescription Iron_00072_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait Iron_00096
    Characters family

    Level Iron_00096
        Description Iron_00096_desc
        EffectsDescription Iron_00096_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
;------------------------------------------
;...others...
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait Iron_30000
    Characters family

    Level Iron_30000
        Description Iron_30000_desc
        EffectsDescription Iron_30000_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait Iron_maxed
    Characters family

    Level Iron_maxed
        Description Iron_maxed_desc
        EffectsDescription Iron_maxed_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
;============= Wood Resource ==============
  
;------------------------------------------
Trait Wood_00048
    Characters family

    Level Wood_00048
        Description Wood_00048_desc
        EffectsDescription Wood_00048_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait Wood_00072
    Characters family

    Level Wood_00072
        Description Wood_00072_desc
        EffectsDescription Wood_00072_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait Wood_00096
    Characters family

    Level Wood_00096
        Description Wood_00096_desc
        EffectsDescription Wood_00096_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
;------------------------------------------
;...others...
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait Wood_30000
    Characters family

    Level Wood_30000
        Description Wood_30000_desc
        EffectsDescription Wood_30000_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait Wood_maxed
    Characters family

    Level Wood_maxed
        Description Wood_maxed_desc
        EffectsDescription Wood_maxed_effects_desc
        Threshold 1

        
        
        
;==========================================        
;============= Triggers ===================
;==========================================

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Resources_clear_all_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal

    ;remove all resource traits  
      
    Affects Iron_00048 -1 Chance 100
    Affects Iron_00072 -1 Chance 100
    Affects Iron_00096 -1 Chance 100
    ;...
    Affects Iron_30000 -1 Chance 100
    Affects Iron_maxed -1 Chance 100

    Affects Wood_00048 -1 Chance 100
    Affects Wood_00072 -1 Chance 100
    Affects Wood_00096 -1 Chance 100
    ;...
    Affects Wood_30000 -1 Chance 100
    Affects Wood_maxed -1 Chance 100

;============= Iron Resource ==============

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Iron_00048_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter iron_level = 48

    Affects Iron_00048 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Iron_00072_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter iron_level = 72

    Affects Iron_00072 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Iron_00096_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter iron_level = 96

    Affects Iron_00096 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
;...others...

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Iron_30000_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter iron_level = 30000

    Affects Iron_30000 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Iron_maxed_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter iron_level = 99999

    Affects Iron_maxed 1 Chance 100
    

;============= Wood Resource ==============

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Wood_00048_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter wood_level = 48

    Affects Wood_00048 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Wood_00072_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter wood_level = 72

    Affects Wood_00072 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Wood_00096_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter wood_level = 96

    Affects Wood_00096 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
;...others...

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Wood_30000_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter wood_level = 30000

    Affects Wood_30000 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Wood_maxed_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter wood_level = 99999

    Affects Wood_maxed 1 Chance 100

Script:

Code:

monitor_event PreFactionTurnStart FactionIsLocal

  ;default to "maxed"
  set_event_counter iron_level 99999
  set_event_counter wood_level 99999
  
  ;iron...
  
  if I_CompareCounter iron_available < 30000
    set_event_counter iron_level 30000
  end_if
  ;...others...
  if I_CompareCounter iron_available < 96
    set_event_counter iron_level 96
  end_if
  if I_CompareCounter iron_available < 72
    set_event_counter iron_level 72
  end_if
  if I_CompareCounter iron_available < 48
    set_event_counter iron_level 48
  end_if

  ;wood...
  
  if I_CompareCounter wood_available < 30000
    set_event_counter wood_level 30000
  end_if
  ;...others...
  if I_CompareCounter wood_available < 96
    set_event_counter wood_level 96
  end_if
  if I_CompareCounter wood_available < 72
    set_event_counter wood_level 72
  end_if
  if I_CompareCounter wood_available < 48
    set_event_counter wood_level 48
  end_if

end_monitor

The first trait trigger removes all resource traits from the leader, by subtracting 1 from every trait to bring it back to 0 (and therefore hidden). Most will already be 0 anyway but that's okay: trait values never go below 0, so using -1 on a trait that is currently 0 will not make it -1; it will stay at 0. A very handy shortcut.

The script sets an event counter (e.g. iron_level) based on what the "available" counter is. e.g. "iron_level = 48" represents "iron_available < 48", and that is how the triggers interpret it. 99999 represents "maxed" (>=30000).

Alternatively you could make the "available" counters event counters instead (as I said before) and use them directly in the triggers:

Code:

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Iron_00072_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition IsFactionLeader
      and FactionIsLocal
      and I_EventCounter iron_available >= 48
      and I_EventCounter iron_available < 72

    Affects Iron_00072 1 Chance 100

It's probably easier to follow that way. But if you were to use this for multiple factions at once (i.e. the AI as well, or hotseat) then my way is better because all of those trait triggers can be used for all factions; no need to duplicate for each faction (the script will need to be, though).

Notice in the script I only did this...

Code:

  if I_CompareCounter wood_available < 72
    set_event_counter wood_level 72
  end_if

...not this...

Code:

  if I_CompareCounter wood_available < 72
    and I_CompareCounter wood_available >= 48
    set_event_counter wood_level 72
  end_if

...and that I put the IFs in descending order (30000 at the top, 48 at the bottom). It's just another shortcut to reduce script length. I can explain further if necessary.

For trait names I used e.g. Iron_00072 instead of Iron_72. It doesn't need to be that way.

EDIT: one flaw: if your leader dies in your own turn (i.e. in a battle) then the new leader won't have the traits until next turn so you'll be in the dark until then. Also, if the leader was ever sent off map then naturally you won't have this resource info at all until he comes back. I don't think that happens in TATW and no idea how common it is in submods but in DCI: Last Alliance it is possible to have an off-map leader.

Actually, there's no need to limit this to just the leader. You could remove the IsFactionLeader condition from the triggers; every general would have the info then, though I wonder if that might add some end of turn lag. Or you could give it to just diplomats, for example.

THANKS! I am still trying to digest the entire thing, was at a physics workshop all day trying to understand electron spin and tatw modding, tatw modding takes a lot of brain power for me . Of course I got home, wanting to put the triggers and scripts in and then copied over my current folder with PCPs new release ...I was hoping to add this to DAC so i guess I will wait for them to release the new version before I test it. I have a lot more questions concerning an empire growth mod I am working on...I want a faction like eriador to have to build prestige(counter, based on regions, battles, alliances, trade rights, resource amount)...., and convince man factions to join them, thinking of allowing a building named Beacon of Hope to eventually be built that would allow "mustering" of locals, once they like you enough. If they don't like you then random raids occur in those regions based on order and garrison strength, anyway that is far down the road. thanks again

**♔atthias♔** · July 06, 2015, 06:24 AM

hello everybody I want to change the uints description which file is needed for that
and is changing the uint description save game combitable
thanks in advace
greetings attthias

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