What's so bad about socialism?

[The spartan]

Not even pure anarcho capitalists truly support unfettered, it is simply exchanging one form of regulation for another (whether that is workable or not is a debate for another time and not one I can answer). I think there is a big difference between pro market and pro business. I'm not sure that you can be anything but pro business and special interests to want absolutely no arbitration between the market and the consumer.

Well by unfettered, I meant unfettered by human rules and restrictions; a pure naturalistic stance (social darwanism, yada yada). JAM is most certainly like that, Col. Tol is a bit like that and a few others as well, which I am guessing is just a young, vocal minority. They are there, though, and I am assuming that they vote or will vote sometime in the near future and that worries me a bit. I do agree on the distinction between pro market and pro business, however.

I keep asking for a translator to help me get what you are trying to say but no one ever comes forward.

Still working on it.

[Der Phönix]

Socialism takes the part of all the weak, the low, the botched; it has made an ideal out of antagonism to all the self-preservative instincts of sound life; it has corrupted even the faculties of those natures that are intellectually most vigorous, by representing the highest intellectual values as sinful, as misleading, as full of temptation. It wages a war to the death against the strongest of men, it puts all the deepest instincts of this type under its ban, it has developed its concept of evil, of the Evil One himself, out of these instincts—the strong and independent man as the typical reprobate, the “outcast among men.”

In these post-modern times, the epitome of socialism has come to center around creating so-called "equality" no longer between traditional economic classes, but between races, ethnicities, cultures and genders. What this basically means is that all material inequality between such categories will be seen as manifesations of oppresion by the dominant group. Followingly, material equality of outcome/result/condition will be rigorously enforced. Not between economic classes, but between races, ethnicities, cultures and genders. Socialism has never been more dangerous than what it is today.

[The spartan]

That is some nietzschian stuff right there, but then again I never took Nietzsche seriously. Social cooperation is VERY human and very instinctual, so I don't know what you are really going with here. I don't think socialism is about "punishing" the successful, it is more about how the successful shouldn't have dominion over the not as successful. I think it is interesting you bring up equality in outcome and result, I hear this a lot. Many people (usually white males) seem to think we have actual equal opportunity in the United States and so we shouldn't force equal outcome. It is a hilarious idea because it is implicitly stating that, since we have equal opportunity among gender and races, that certain minority groups are just NATURALLY inferior. Hey, if we all have equal opportunity, it is implicit that black people, mostly men, are just NATURALLY more prone to committing crimes because all else is equal, right?

[Der Phönix]

That is some nietzschian stuff right there, but then again I never took Nietzsche seriously. Social cooperation is VERY human and very instinctual, so I don't know what you are really going with here. I don't think socialism is about "punishing" the successful, it is more about how the successful shouldn't have dominion over the not as successful.

Very much influenced by Nietzsche indeed. Socialism and left wing ideologies do not really care about "success". Whether your wealth is a result of success or not is irrelevant as long as you possess more wealth than the majority. Also, you are implying that everyone strives to be successfull and follows the same material path towards this goal. This is a naive assumption at best.

Well, to me, at some point someone may have the right to have a dominion over others. Life without hierarchy has no meaning at all. Even socialists admit that when they openly discriminates against the able and willing.

I think it is interesting you bring up equality in outcome and result, I hear this a lot. Many people (usually white males) seem to think we have actual equal opportunity in the United States and so we shouldn't force equal outcome. It is a hilarious idea because it is implicitly stating that, since we have equal opportunity among gender and races, that certain minority groups are just NATURALLY inferior. Hey, if we all have equal opportunity, it is implicit that black people, mostly men, are just NATURALLY more prone to committing crimes because all else is equal, right?

Maybe you had actual equality opportunity some time during the 70s but this is of course no longer the case due to all kinds of quotas and affirmative action policies spreading like wildfire through your country. The problem here as I see it is that socialists (and probably you) think they have more right than enyone else to decide when people have actual equality of opportunity. And, ironically, in your mind, people do not have equality of opportunity until they are equal in condition. See the contradiction?

Now, what is REALLY thinking of someone as inferior? Insisiting on affirmative action policies for a given group of humans for a thousand years or treating everyone as equals and induviduals before the law? That said, yes, natural inferiority exists. I'll give you some political correct examples of this. Men will never live as long as women. White Americans will never have the same high average iq scores as East Asians. About black people and crime, I can provide you several genetic studies that support your assumption.

[Thorn777]

Capitalism glorified takes the whole of all the weak, the low, the botched; it has made an ideal out of moral degeneracy to all the self-preservative instincts of sound life; it has corrupted even the faculties of those natures that are intellectually most vigorous, by representing the lowest pre-historic instincts as inevitable, as productive, and as in the end wholesome. It wages a war to the death against the strongest in and of men, it creates a new alpha man in form of Blankfein & Justin Bieber, it has developed and marketed its own concept of evil and good, of the Evil Prol or Evil Intellectual out to being jealous and destructive, and out of their colluminative political and financial power— made the morally degenerate and financially independent sociopathic man as the typical rolemodel, even the “outcast among men” since rebellious is a concept that needs to be marketed to any upcoming generation to stear these instinct away from actuality.

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The self proclaimed outcast, even when just in spirit, so trendy. A real individual. So trendy.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Phoenix your two posts here are simply meaningless propaganda. You lump together every variation of leftist policy and then attack it as a huge straw man. Which is nonsense.



Communism, sexism and racism have little to offer the world. Social policies in western liberal democracies certainly do, and can't be lumped with these other things.



Next you'll tell me market liberalism and xenophobia are the same thing.

[Der Phönix]

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The self proclaimed outcast, even when just in spirit, so trendy. A real individual. So trendy.

I partly agree.

Communism, sexism and racism have little to offer the world. Social policies in western liberal democracies certainly do, and can't be lumped with these other things.

Modern social policies in liberal democracies has little to do with liberalism and democracy though. The social policies we see today were born out of the 60s and 70s and since then have been very dominant. In many cases, they are actually detrimential to liberalism and democracy.

[Love Mountain]

The social policies we see today were born out of the 60s and 70s and since then have been very dominant. In many cases, they are actually detrimential to liberalism and democracy.

Such as...?

[LWT]

(...) I'll give you some political correct examples of this [natural inferiority]. Men will never live as long as women. (...)

Are you even serious?

[Cor De Ferrum]

Liberalism, as you can see with Comrade Obama, is a disgusting cancer created by parasites that want to suck the blood out of the hard working populace and produce hand-outs to everyone.

It's disgusting.

Liberalism is the greatest threat to civilization, look at what it's done to Europe, Europe is a disgusting cesspool of politically correct fairies running around with other men.

As well as the evils of multiculturalism, and race mixing.

[Slydessertfox]

As far as racism and such goes, may I remind you that Hitler was a Socialist.

Hitler was as socialist as Anne Raynd.(If that's how you spell her name). I mean seriously. National Socialism is fascism. Your contradictions are rather hilarious. You claim socialism is a stepping stone to communism, then claim Hitler was socialist. By that logic, Hitler and Stalin should have been best friends. Yet Hitler despised communism, as well as Stalin. Not to mention, Hitler's two allies were both fascist countries. He was allied to the father of fascism, the Duce himself. Japan could be called fascist as well.

Whenever I see anyone call Hitler a socialist, I immediately know they have no idea what they are talking about.

[Slydessertfox]

Liberalism, as you can see with Comrade Obama, is a disgusting cancer created by parasites that want to suck the blood out of the hard working populace and produce hand-outs to everyone.

It's disgusting.

Liberalism is the greatest threat to civilization, look at what it's done to Europe, Europe is a disgusting cesspool of politically correct fairies running around with other men.

As well as the evils of multiculturalism, and race mixing.

Oh boo hoo let me play a sad song for you on the world's smallest violin. Seriously, this is the biggest bs I have ever read.

[Cor De Ferrum]

Anything that does not allow development beyond a central authority figure is a bad political system

[Cor De Ferrum]

Der Phönix is right.

Right now there is rampant racism towards the White Race. Because I have blonde hair, blue eyes and a Nordic physique, people automatically assume I find Negros and others inferior and that I presume to be better than anyone else.

Affirmative action is the worst thing I have ever seen, it is clearly biased in trying to marginalize the White Race. What I don't understand is, during the American elections, they criticized Mitt Romney, the biggest thing was because he was White and Rich? That's disgusting. Negros voted for Obama simply because he's on of them.

This is outrageous, the White Race needs to step up and stop letting these people demand that we apologize for something we had no part of. This is getting annoying.

All you see is how Negro culture is cool and White culture is "lame." USA is a prime example about how stupid Multiculturalism is.

[Lazarus]

As well as the evils of multiculturalism, and race mixing.

As well as the evils of... race mixing.

As well as the evils of... race mixing.

What even.

[Slydessertfox]

Der Phönix is right.

Right now there is rampant racism towards the White Race. Because I have blonde hair, blue eyes and a Nordic physique, people automatically assume I find Negros and others inferior and that I presume to be better than anyone else.

Affirmative action is the worst thing I have ever seen, it is clearly biased in trying to marginalize the White Race. What I don't understand is, during the American elections, they criticized Mitt Romney, the biggest thing was because he was White and Rich? That's disgusting. Negros voted for Obama simply because he's on of them.

This is outrageous, the White Race needs to step up and stop letting these people demand that we apologize for something we had no part of. This is getting annoying.

All you see is how Negro culture is cool and White culture is "lame." USA is a prime example about how stupid Multiculturalism is.

Oh cry me a river. People don't consider you racist because you are a blond haired blue eyed male wth a nordic physique. They consider you racist because you are racist. Seriously, this quote above me is the very definition of racist.

[AqD]

That is some nietzschian stuff right there, but then again I never took Nietzsche seriously. Social cooperation is VERY human and very instinctual, so I don't know what you are really going with here. I don't think socialism is about "punishing" the successful, it is more about how the successful shouldn't have dominion over the not as successful.

Socialism isn't about dominion. It's about guaranteed easy life for the unfortunate ones at the cost of everyone.


If socialism is implemented at world-scale, your life would become a lot more difficult because you'd have to pay for all those poor workers in china, starving kids in africa and the mental medical care for jihadists, even if you're in no way responsible for their misery, terrible environment, or simply natural incapability.

Are you prepared to accept that?

[Cor De Ferrum]

Oh cry me a river. People don't consider you racist because you are a blond haired blue eyed male wth a nordic physique. They consider you racist because you are racist. Seriously, this quote above me is the very definition of racist.

Explain how what I said is racist.

By the way, the only ones that think I am a racist are the welfare parasites and illegal immigrants.

All they want are hand-outs taken from the white mans working hands.

They hate us.

Für das Vaterland
Wir kämpfen
Die Bastarde überfallen
Die Bastarde fehl
Die sächsische steigt

If you think us Whites are just going to lay down while everyone promotes hatred towards us, then you're wrong.

If you think we're going to let them take what we worked for, you're wrong.

If you think we're going to let them control our banks and jobs, you're wrong.

The white race is being marginalized, being targeted.
Everyday we're taught to hate ourselves, because of the past.

That time is gone, we don't need to apologize, and we don't need to hate ourselves.

We don't want to mix cultures, we don't want lazy criminals in our lands, and we won't let them throw us out.

Now, in what way is any of this racist? Who in the world would want their race to be marginalized and taught to hate itself?

[LWT]

Socialism isn't about dominion. It's about guaranteed easy life for the unfortunate ones at the cost of everyone.


If socialism is implemented at world-scale, your life would become a lot more difficult because you'd have to pay for all those poor workers in china, starving kids in africa and the mental medical care for jihadists, even if you're in no way responsible for their misery, terrible environment, or simply natural incapability.

Are you prepared to accept that?

I have no idea he accepts it, but I do know he should. Why do you think it is ok to exploit people on the other side of the world?

[dogukan]

Excuse me, but can all these people who talk about socialism with their 10 year old hearsay define it?
What is socialism? It seems like you people know so much about it eh..