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    Quote Originally Posted by Cor De Ferrum View Post
    Well, I am learning why it is wrong and so I bring out more of my beliefs to understand what others think of them.

    Is that bad?
    well no, but you don't seem to be doing very well considering you continue to post "oh, you guys hate me because i'm just a superior nord, if i was black everyone would applaud me." which is beyond illogical, even if you hadn't already been told that's wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cor De Ferrum View Post
    Well, I'm proud to be German, I feel lucky to be blessed with Blonde hair and blue eyes, a superior intellect and overall history of the Nordic peoples.

    But for now, I'm paying attention to my Jewish side and soon will return to my home in the Negev to join the IDF.
    I'm sure all your jewish friends will love you talking about how superior the strong white germans are compared to the lesser races, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cor De Ferrum View Post
    Don't know how to concede that.
    Being proud of your history is by no means a bad thing. But saying that your race is superior to others is racist (and wrong).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cor De Ferrum View Post
    Well, I'm proud to be German
    Being proud of your birthplace is also baseless. Being proud of aspects of your culture you have contributed to by being part of society isn't. "I'm glad we the people have such a good government policy" or "I'm glad crime ghettos have all but disappeared" is a good thing, because that is the collective action of a group you are a part of it. But there should always be negatives you want to change. Until the singularity that will always be the case. I can't empathize with pride at all. I'm feel no pride in my nationality. I strongly identify with Irish culture, but only because of the birth lottery. Had I been Finn or Chinese or whatever instead, I would feel the same. I'm glad for the good things we achieve today and feel bad about the things we don't achieve or the things we achieve that I think are wrong. This should be how you feel as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cor De Ferrum View Post
    I feel lucky to be blessed with Blonde hair and blue eyes
    Join the club. You should see my family at Christmas. We are almost all blonde, with two red heads and a few browns. I don't feel lucky though. While I admit I am usually more attracted to white women, whether they are common brown or the black, red or blonde spectrum doesn't make a difference.

    I don't understand why blonde hair is associated with Germans anyway. They have less blonde hair and blue eyes than a lot of countries. And blonde hair is the majority nowhere.
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    a superior intellect
    Which has nothing to do with being German, IQ distribution is the same from Vancouver to Vladivostok.
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    Being proud of your history is by no means a bad thing.
    Alone it isn't. Alone pride is ridiculous and impairs change for the better. Admiration for positive aspects of history needs to be tempered with disgust at negative aspects. I can admire most of the ideals our indepedence fighters fought for, but I am not a fan of their sectarianism. And modern rejection of religion here is causing change in our society, which is a good thing. Admiration and disgust at history are both good things that cause positive change if rightly deployed. Having one without the other is bad.

    Frankly Germany has a lot less to be proud of in history than anywhere else in Europe, and Cor De Ferrum has learned absolutely nothing from his grandparents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    Alone it isn't. Alone pride is ridiculous and impairs change for the better. Admiration for positive aspects of history needs to be tempered with disgust at negative aspects. I can admire most of the ideals our indepedence fighters fought for, but I am not a fan of their sectarianism. And modern rejection of religion here is causing change in our society, which is a good thing. Admiration and disgust at history are both good things that cause positive change if rightly deployed. Having one without the other is bad.
    You can be proud of your history and still not like parts of it. For myself, I frown upon many aspects of my own countries history, particularly the colonisation stuff.

    Frankly Germany has a lot less to be proud of in history than anywhere else in Europe.
    Well, that's not really true is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pignans View Post
    Well, that's not really true is it?
    Most European countries did some admirable things between 1870 and 1945.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    Most European countries did some admirable things between 1870 and 1945.
    Yeah, but lets ignore everything before that eh? Besides, Germany has nothing really to be ashamed of apart from a bit of colonisation and the years leading up to, and including WW2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cor De Ferrum View Post
    Well, I'm proud to be German, I feel lucky to be blessed with Blonde hair and blue eyes, a superior intellect and overall history of the Nordic peoples.

    But for now, I'm paying attention to my Jewish side and soon will return to my home in the Negev to join the IDF.
    By stormfront standard, you are not white anymore. In fact you are the product of race mixing, something that apparently you hate.

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    Socialism is open to corruption as with other ideologies. Just because it's more obvious when it's corrupted doesn't make it something worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ak1980 View Post
    By stormfront standard, you are not white anymore. In fact you are the product of race mixing, something that apparently you hate.
    It's religious Judaism, not ethnic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    I have the same reaction to "white pride" as I do any sort of "x pride" based on race. That reaction is "huh, that's a strange way of looking of things" before going to my local curry house for a Korma The idea of race is a social construct, nothing more. Remember, "we hold these truths to be self evident, that all human beings are created equal, and are endowed by their common humanity with certain inalienable rights, foremost amoungst these rights being life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Yes, I've updated it slightly.

    Futhermore, I'd recommend "Guns, Germs and Steel" to show why Europe (and 2nd Europe's) ended up dominating the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cor De Ferrum View Post
    I still believe in Race, and I am proud of mine.
    You believe in a man made concept that doesn't exist. Good to know.
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    Dangit I've missed the entire racist rant thread?? Why is this thread called "what's so bad about socialism??"

    Anyway...wow



    How curious that anyone could be "proud of their race." Who can help being born? Is it some achievement to be born one place over another or one race over another? I've never understood racial "pride." I've also seen few other people on TWC so blatantly racist. This is a red letter day....or week....or whatever.

    Edit: this guy is half Jewish?? "Race traitor!"
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    People can be proud of their in the same way that people are proud of their cultural heritage, nation, or legacy. Is that a difficult concept to. Grasp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    Dangit I've missed the entire racist rant thread?? Why is this thread called "what's so bad about socialism??"

    Anyway...wow



    How curious that anyone could be "proud of their race." Who can help being born? Is it some achievement to be born one place over another or one race over another? I've never understood racial "pride." I've also seen few other people on TWC so blatantly racist. This is a red letter day....or week....or whatever.

    Edit: this guy is half Jewish?? "Race traitor!"
    It's religious Judaism, not ethnic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    People can be proud of their in the same way that people are proud of their cultural heritage, nation, or legacy. Is that a difficult concept to. Grasp?


    Kind of yeah. I mean how is it anything to be proud of when you happen to be born somewhere into a nation or "legacy"? Maybe a particular cultural thing may be worth some pride because that requires some participation and involvement; but ultimately being proud of your nation is like boasting about having a rich daddy, or saying he could beat up other dads.

    Its ing idiotic and immature. I mean, how lacking does your life have to be if you take pride in where you were born and the achievements of other people who also happened to born in that same place as a source of satisfaction or self-confidence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatsby View Post

    Kind of yeah. I mean how is it anything to be proud of when you happen to be born somewhere into a nation or "legacy"? Maybe a particular cultural thing may be worth some pride because that requires some participation and involvement; but ultimately being proud of your nation is like boasting about having a rich daddy, or saying he could beat up other dads.

    Its ing idiotic and immature. I mean, how lacking does your life have to be if you take pride in where you were born and the achievements of other people who also happened to born in that same place as an arbitrary source of pride?
    You imply my life is lacking? What I am proud of is not the chance that I was born into the race I am in, what I am proud of is the achievements of my race. I am proud that we are the source of almost every single technological and scientific advance made during and after the cold war when our scientists were brought to the USSR and USA.

    I am proud of the military tradition my people have, I am proud of this because in my opinion the military is the most important part of a nations pride.

    I am proud because despite losing both world wars, we still lead Europe, economically.

    I am proud because of our fair skin and blue eyes, blonde hair and amazing language.

    I love the Rheinlande, I love the mountains, to the plains, the rivers and lakes, the forests, the people, the food, the conservative attitude, the fact that we don't cry and moan over the second world war, but look to improve our standing among nations, the fact that we have a special bond with Israel and would defend her, our history, the beautiful Reichsadler, the Reichstag, the beautiful city of Berlin, our beautiful women, the history of Prussia and the Wilhelms.

    I am proud, of Germany, and I am lucky to be a Nordic German, yet somehow this makes me a racist?

    Do I hate other races? No

    Do I think my race is better than theirs? I don't know

    Do I think they are all intellectually inferior? I don't know

    I do know one thing, I could care less where you're from as long as we have an understanding of mutual respect, I don't care where you're from but if you have a rotten attitude and a bad mouth, then you'll get the same reaction from me even if you were a fellow Rheinlander.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cor De Ferrum View Post

    Do I think my race is better than theirs? I don't know

    Do I think they are all intellectually inferior? I don't know
    This is the part that jumps out at me. The fact that your immediate reaction to this question isn't no is troublesome. Race doesn't exist, period.



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    edit: also, it would take me little to no effort to find an asian that is intellectually superior to *insert ethnicity here* and visa versa.
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    You say that as though you had some part in those scientific advances. Those were made by highly intelligent men with huge success in their fields who studied rigorously and devoted their lives to science.

    You are a random dude on the internet who happens to hail from roughly the same country as them. A physicist from Tonga has more reason to be proud of Einstein, Haber or Braun than you. They would bear a real and effectual connection to these men through their shared passions and efforts; rather than the lottery of a shared language and birthplace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cor De Ferrum View Post
    It's religious Judaism, not ethnic.
    If you're not ethnically Jewish, why call yourself Jewish at all? Messianic Judaism is Christianity. It was called the Hebrew Christian Movement until the 1970s. “Messianic Jew” was just a term used to designate an ethnic Jew who had converted to Evangelical Christianity. I'm starting to get suspicious of your story. How did you get Israeli citizenship if you're not ethnically Jewish?
    Quote Originally Posted by Enros View Post
    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cor De Ferrum View Post
    You imply my life is lacking? What I am proud of is not the chance that I was born into the race I am in, what I am proud of is the achievements of my race. I am proud that we are the source of almost every single technological and scientific advance made during and after the cold war when our scientists were brought to the USSR and USA.

    I am proud of the military tradition my people have, I am proud of this because in my opinion the military is the most important part of a nations pride.

    I am proud because despite losing both world wars, we still lead Europe, economically.

    I am proud because of our fair skin and blue eyes, blonde hair and amazing language.

    I love the Rheinlande, I love the mountains, to the plains, the rivers and lakes, the forests, the people, the food, the conservative attitude, the fact that we don't cry and moan over the second world war, but look to improve our standing among nations, the fact that we have a special bond with Israel and would defend her, our history, the beautiful Reichsadler, the Reichstag, the beautiful city of Berlin, our beautiful women, the history of Prussia and the Wilhelms.

    I am proud, of Germany, and I am lucky to be a Nordic German, yet somehow this makes me a racist?

    Do I hate other races? No

    Do I think my race is better than theirs? I don't know

    Do I think they are all intellectually inferior? I don't know

    I do know one thing, I could care less where you're from as long as we have an understanding of mutual respect, I don't care where you're from but if you have a rotten attitude and a bad mouth, then you'll get the same reaction from me even if you were a fellow Rheinlander.
    All the things you speak of are matters of culture, not race. I, for example, am "proud" of the philosophical and cultural legacy of the United States, despite my reservations about things like slavery, Manifest Destiny, and Progressivism. It is partly because we lack ethnic or aristocratic foundations that we were able to flourish and exercise true Liberty. However, you'll never hear me talk about "race" in relation to these things, because "race" is an artificial term with no real utility other than to classify people by their appearance. "Race" and "religion" are perhaps the two most destructive forces mankind has ever inflicted upon himself. There is no such thing as "achievements of a race," only achievements of individuals. One may wish to generalize and talk about achievements or admirable qualities of various cultures, but that's about as abstract as one can rationally get with regard to these things.

    On a general note, I must say that I am quite surprised that you, as a German, would directly or indirectly endorse the ideas that gave limitless power to a party of madmen and destroyed your country even more thoroughly than the Treaty of Versailles. Read a book; my goodness.
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