What's so bad about socialism?

[Slydessertfox]

Okay, but why is it that non-white nations are the least developed?

You can thank Europeans for ****ing **** up in Africa.

[empr guy]

Okay, but why is it that non-white nations are the least developed?

define white and define developed, I could say many "non-white" nations are more "developed" then many 'white' nations.

[Cor De Ferrum]

define white and define developed, I could say many "non-white" nations are more "developed" then many 'white' nations.

You can thank Europeans for ****ing **** up in Africa.

White, pure, 100% European blood.

Wow, you obviously have a problem with White people, you are clearly the racist, blaming us for everything.

If you think European colonialism ruined Africa, why did USA become such a stunning nation? And Canada? And Australia ???

[Slydessertfox]

If you think European colonialism ruined Africa, why did USA become such a stunning nation? And Canada? And Australia ???

What? Colonialism in Africa is a completely different type of colonialism than that seen in the USA, Canada, and Australia.

Regardless, look what happened to the natives in all three of those places: It was freaking genocide (at least in the US).


Anyway, seriously, read up on African colonialism. Ever hear of the Malian Empire? Songhai? Abyssinia? Ancient Egypt? The Meso-american civilizations?

Hell, freaking China invented gunpowder. Most of the stars have Arabic names. We use Arabic numerals. Algorithm and Algebra are Arabic words. While Europe was in the dark ages, Baghdad was the intellectual capital of the world. The Mongols were the most feared horde to come on Europe. Japan modernized in a matter of a few decades. The Polynesians were expert sailors and navigators. India had its fair share of great empires.

To say that every nation that is not a western nation is underdeveloped and that the white race is somehow superior, just shows you know nothing of history.

[empr guy]

White, pure, 100% European blood.

This is literally an impossible group, people came in off the steps for centuries, and in from the east before that. If you want to prove "you're being discrimanted against", you have to know who "you" is.

Wow, you obviously have a problem with White people, you are clearly the racist, blaming us for everything.

It's obviously not 100% colonialism fault, but it was a serious detriment to the African people, that's pretty well accepted.

If you think European colonialism ruined Africa, why did USA become such a stunning nation? And Canada? And Australia ???

Are you trying to say that European colonialism is the main reason why the USA Canada and Australia are successful nations?...

The Mongols were the most feared horde to come on Europe

I always found it funny how the mongol's were able to pretty much conquer Poland with a diversionary force while they were conquering Hungary, it's too bad the Khan died, otherwise the mongols probably would have reached the atlantic....

[Cor De Ferrum]

define white and define developed, I could say many "non-white" nations are more "developed" then many 'white' nations.

You can thank Europeans for ****ing **** up in Africa.

This is literally an impossible group, people came in off the steps for centuries, and in from the east before that. If you want to prove "you're being discrimanted against", you have to know who "you" is.




It's obviously not 100% colonialism fault, but it was a serious detriment to the African people, that's pretty well accepted.



Are you trying to say that European colonialism is the main reason why the USA Canada and Australia are successful nations?...

No, I am saying that IF European Colonialism is to blame, then why did USA, Canada, and Australia, not to mention New Zealand end up being very well-off nations?

[Slydessertfox]

No, I am saying that IF European Colonialism is to blame, then why did USA, Canada, and Australia, not to mention New Zealand end up being very well-off nations?

So I see, it's because of the natural inferiority of Africans that Africa is not as well off as Canada, USA, and Australia?

[empr guy]

No, I am saying that IF European Colonialism is to blame, then why did USA, Canada, and Australia, not to mention New Zealand end up being very well-off nations?

There are different types of colonialism, for example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation_colonialism
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settler...d_modern_times,

Basically the in the countries you mentioned, the natives were removed and settlers moved in, in africa and other places the europeans just conquered the nations present and then drained all the resources they could get for as cheap as they could get. You also have to realize those countries have set their own destinies far after colonialism ended, the US is a powerhouse for a huge number of reasons, like lots of natural resources, it's position isolates it from the Europeans endless wars, the europeans imploding because of their endless wars, etc.

I'm still not sure what you mean by white culture being oppressed or whatever you were talking about before, all you've done so far is show you can't even define white people.

[Love Mountain]

Let's tone it down everyone. Warnings have probably been issued, feelings hurt, and egos bruised. Let's continue having a civil discussion, even if some of our opinions seem ludicrous to others.

@Cor De Ferrum

I really fail to see how you can draw any correlation between race and prosperity. It is simply a coincidence and varying circumstances. It's like saying that people who ride bikes as children tend to be more successful than those who don't. It's impossible to prove the claims you're making. How can you say that European colonialism is not to blame? What about Hong Kong? It was the model colony, jewel of the East in British eyes. It's population is mostly Chinese and it's still thriving today after being handed back to it's original owner. If we follow your train of thought, then surely Hong Kong would've been downgraded to the level of a third-world nation by now.

[Armatus]

The problem (as I see it) is not about what's an acceptable "quality of life" (which can vary considerably according to culture), but that some governments have become ever expanding machines of power fueled by the people they are intended to serve. The government needs people to operate it, and it needs the people to support it therefor the government operates in its own interest by promoting the success of the people. Sometimes to their benefit and sometimes at their expense.

It's up to the people to decide how much government they want involved in their lives and stop being passive morons who either aren't paying attention, don't care or complain and do nothing to support the election of representatives who will fight for accountability.

[Cor De Ferrum]

Let's tone it down everyone. Warnings have probably been issued, feelings hurt, and egos bruised. Let's continue having a civil discussion, even if some of our opinions seem ludicrous to others.

@Cor De Ferrum

I really fail to see how you can draw any correlation between race and prosperity. It is simply a coincidence and varying circumstances. It's like saying that people who ride bikes as children tend to be more successful than those who don't. It's impossible to prove the claims you're making. How can you say that European colonialism is not to blame? What about Hong Kong? It was the model colony, jewel of the East in British eyes. It's population is mostly Chinese and it's still thriving today after being handed back to it's original owner. If we follow your train of thought, then surely Hong Kong would've been downgraded to the level of a third-world nation by now.

Hong Kong came out how it did because it never left British mandate. Now that it is under the Communists, it is becoming trash. This happens many times, the White Race will help, and when we leave, the place turns into nothing.

There are many, many other things as well. First, the White Race is the most attractive, I am not attracted to women of other races, and so are the majority of Whites. The majority of us recognize the unique beauty the White women have.

There is nothing more attractive than a woman with blonde hair, and blue eyes.

Besides that, Nordic races have the highest IQs, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, and Austria have always had the smartest and best scientists ever.

[Armatus]

Hong Kong came out how it did because it never left British mandate. Now that it is under the Communists, it is becoming trash. This happens many times, the White Race will help, and when we leave, the place turns into nothing.

There are many, many other things as well. First, the White Race is the most attractive, I am not attracted to women of other races, and so are the majority of Whites. The majority of us recognize the unique beauty the White women have.

There is nothing more attractive than a woman with blonde hair, and blue eyes.

Besides that, Nordic races have the highest IQs, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, and Austria have always had the smartest and best scientists ever.

lol

[Lazarus]

First, the White Race is the most attractive

Beauty is purely subjective. You literally can not make this claim. You might like white women better but that does not mean white women are therefore objectively the most beautiful. It just means that you like white chicks.

Besides that, Nordic races have the highest IQs, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, and Austria have always had the smartest and best scientists ever.

Hardly. Chinese thinkers were centuries ahead of Europeans before isolationism started to impede their growth. There is of course, the Golden age of Islam - mostly preserved knowledge but also some original works there too. French thinkers were also in a great abundance, more in the philosophy department than scientific as far as I've read but they're certainly there. So no. Nordic races are not the best or smartest or prettiest or greatest. In fact - there are only two things you can accuse the Nordic race of being. Nordic, and made up of a group of individuals. Being Nordic has not made you smart or handsome. Your intelligence is primarily determined by the education you received, and there is no objective scale for beauty so whether or not you're handsome depends on who you ask. Has very very little to do with your race.

You are embarrassing yourself - and please stop referring to "the white race". My skin pigments are very very pale - but I am not cut from the same cloth as you sir, nor do I have any desire to be associated with you.

[empr guy]

honestly I have met italians who are less "white" then are east asians, and obviously the white master race is so mentally superior, thats why countries like, lets say greece, are doing so well

The problem (as I see it) is not about what's an acceptable "quality of life" (which can vary considerably according to culture), but that some governments have become ever expanding machines of power fueled by the people they are intended to serve. The government needs people to operate it, and it needs the people to support it therefor the government operates in its own interest by promoting the success of the people. Sometimes to their benefit and sometimes at their expense.

It's up to the people to decide how much government they want involved in their lives and stop being passive morons who either aren't paying attention, don't care or complain and do nothing to support the election of representatives who will fight for accountability.

A huge problem is that people in the US seem to think socialism will make them into a new soviet union, where the government will completely control their lives, at which point there is no way to get out of it except by force. It's the only reason I can see for people doing things such as calling 'Obamacare" socialist and evil, shockingly I have actually met someone in real life who does that at my uni, I thought they only existed on fox news and as talking points...

edit: I think this goes along with what's happening in the "what is socialism" thread, everyone apparently thinks it's something different, and some people are calling it communism, so even if you set out to create a socialist state everyone will have different expectations.

[Slydessertfox]

Hong Kong came out how it did because it never left British mandate. Now that it is under the Communists, it is becoming trash. This happens many times, the White Race will help, and when we leave, the place turns into nothing.

Do you know anything about modern day Hong Kong? Because this is completely false.

There are many, many other things as well. First, the White Race is the most attractive, I am not attracted to women of other races, and so are the majority of Whites. The majority of us recognize the unique beauty the White women have.

Just because white people are attracted to white people does not make white people more beautiful. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. The majority of Asians are attracted to Asians, etc. This literally means absolutely nothing.

There is nothing more attractive than a woman with blonde hair, and blue eyes.

That is your opinion . Personally, I am more attracted to a woman with brown hair and brown eyes. Everyone has different preferences. You are sounding like you were transported straight from 1930's Germany right now.

Besides that, Nordic races have the highest IQs, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, and Austria have always had the smartest and best scientists ever.

This is simply straight up false. I would care for you to try to provide anything that supports this.

[Cor De Ferrum]

Do you know anything about modern day Hong Kong? Because this is completely false.

Just because white people are attracted to white people does not make white people more beautiful. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. The majority of Asians are attracted to Asians, etc. This literally means absolutely nothing.

You are attracted to what you're attracted to because you are non-Nordic.

White Women, with blonde hair and blue eyes are the most attractive women in the world.

I am not attracted to any other type of woman.


That is your opinion . Personally, I am more attracted to a woman with brown hair and brown eyes. Everyone has different preferences. You are sounding like you were transported straight from 1930's Germany right now.


This is simply straight up false. I would care for you to try to provide anything that supports this.

[Sir Pignans]

White Women, with blonde hair and blue eyes are the most attractive women in the world.

Well, this is just wrong.

[Slydessertfox]

Any reason why you just quote my post Cor without replying?

edit: nevermind its in the quote.

[Winston Smith]

White, pure, 100% European blood.

Wow, you obviously have a problem with White people, you are clearly the racist, blaming us for everything.

If you think European colonialism ruined Africa, why did USA become such a stunning nation? And Canada? And Australia ???

I knew people I like you existed, but I never had the benefit of encountering a white nationalist racist thug before. Please, enlighten us with your ******** pseudo-science and
misunderstanding of history.

Futhermore, as a student of history, your display of both Pro-Israel and what are clearly Nazi symbols fill me with confusion.

[Slydessertfox]

Futhermore, as a student of history, your display of both Pro-Israel and what are clearly Nazi symbols fill me with confusion.

This has confused me as well.