TGW 5.0 | Unit Suggestions

**King Sama** · February 21, 2013, 04:52 PM

Hello all,

Today, we will give you, fans of the Great War Mod, the opportunity to suggest specific units for inclusion in the upcoming version 5.0.

First, some background. In TGW 5.0 each faction has a set of standard unit types. For example, these include light infantry, dragoons, light mortars, and snipers. All major factions have these roles filled with a combination of generic and unique units, as well as various national bonuses/penalties. Below, for example, is Germany's infantry roster, with "unique" units italicized/bolded.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Unfortunately, it isn't time effective to make every unit roster as comprehensive as the above. While minor factions (as defined by us) will have the same standard types as the majors, they will have mostly generic units. So, if Germany were a minor faction, it would have the standard "Mountain Infantry" instead of "Alpenkorps", and have the same stats as any other generic mountain infantry unit.

This is where you come in. In order to diversify the minor rosters, as well as give them some of the attention they deserve, we're going to give each minor faction a maximum of two unique units (in addition to their generic rosters). And we want you, who will ultimately be playing with these units, to choose them.

If you have any unit in particular that you wish us to include, now's your chance. We will (most likely) draw the units exclusively from this pool - meaning that if you want your nation to be better represented come 5.0, speak now or forever hold your peace.

These units may fill any role, as long as they are important/interesting enough to warrant inclusion. We will make the final decision. Proposals must follow the format specified below, or they will be disregarded. Thank you to all who participate!

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Proposal Format:

Name: [Any names this unit might go by]
Links: [Any links to pages with more information on these units]
Picture/Uniform: [A link or picture of the unit for us to base the uniform on. If it's black/white, describe the color.]
Reason: [why should this unit be included; 1 to 2 sentences]
Info: [A 3-5 sentence description of the unit, highlighting where possible any major achievements and combat abilities: morale, melee ability, accuracy, and reloading speed. The unit's stats will be based on this.]

Only minor factions are applicable. The following factions are "major". We will not accept any proposals from them, but virtually every other ww1 nation with a starting region on the map is fine. Bulgaria, Latvia, and Ukraine are also fine.

Germany
Britain
France
Austria
Russia
Soviet Russia
Belgium
Ottomans
Serbia
Spain
Italy
USA

Please note that if your proposal is chosen, we will contact you for a short historical description of that unit. This will be used as the second part of the unit descriptions you see in game. (Depending on how successful this is, we may include your name as well, in accreditation).

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We look forward to hearing your suggestions

~The Great War Mod Team

Please refrain from historical discussion and other posts that are not proposals - this will be considered off-topic, since we don't want to drown any suggestions. If you have a correction to make, you may do so, but it must be precise and supported by evidence/credible source. We will announce which units we choose at the end, so you will have an opportunity to argue then.

**orfeas_trivium** · February 23, 2013, 12:09 PM

Proposal for a Greek unit that should not - by any means - be excluded.

Evzone Infantry (or simply Evzones)
Link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evzones#Former_units
Images
i. http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/9128/greece02.jpg (View #7)
ii. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zdltEHuUq3...greek+army.jpg
iii. http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7...3evzsgt4xn.jpg (Despite being marked as a 1913 uniform, it was still in use during the Great War.)
Reason to be included
The Evzones were the finest unit of the Greek Army at the time as well as its "trademark" because of their traditional uniform. Without the Evzones any Greek roster is incomplete.
General Info
The Evzones were one of the Greek elite units, if not the greater among them. The personnel that formed the Evzone battalions were mostly highlanders and they were used, apart from light infantry, as assault troops. Their morale and fighting ability were proverbial. It is noteworthy that the Turks tha faced the Evzones regarded them as "Saitan asker" or "Satan's army". The unit used the Mannlicher - Schoenauer standard greek rifle as well as a number of LMGs. As a light unit they were exceptional marksmen, and as an a assault unit fierce melee fighters. Their reloading time would propably be the average for infantry units.

**Captain Tarvitz** · February 23, 2013, 06:43 PM

This is a suggestion for a unique Ukrainian unit.

During the Russian Civil War there was an anarchist faction operating out of the Ukraine and the Crimea called The Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine (also known as the Makhnovshchina). Sadly I cannot find many pictures of them on google, but their flag looks pretty cool (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...U_flag.svg.png).

I think it would be good to include them because it would create a somewhat realistic portrayal of the ideological conflict that took place during the Russian Civil War. Also it would be pretty cool to control an anarchist country in the campaign.

Links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolut...rmy_of_Ukraine
https://7chan.org/hi/src/134590429616.png

**tomux7** · February 24, 2013, 08:17 AM

Since you are open suggestions I will suggest Lithuanian hussar unit.
History:
1st Lithuanian hussar regiment (Formal name being 1st Lithuanian Great Hetman Janusz the Second hussar regiment) was created in 1919, after Lithuania declared independence and started forming first army regiments, so it had no influence in WW1 (But since it's Total War you could do it way sooner than this). It fought against Poles, Bolsheviks and Bermontians (this also might be interesting faction to include) in 1919.
Here are some photos of them, although they are uncolored:
http://www.militaria.lt/?id=262
Pants and caps were claret with white stripes (can be seen in photos with many other white decals), jackets were greyish-green.
Alternatively you could do Lithuanian Ulhans or Tatar Ulhans (which served in Polish army after they took our capital from us), since lancers was one thing we took from Poles when we were in commonwealth with them.
Here are some Lithuanian lancer photos:
http://www.militaria.lt/?id=263
However, I think lancer unit should be left to Poland, as they were arguably most famous lancers in the world.

**agunter999** · February 24, 2013, 12:17 PM

Right
my suggestion
bet you cant wait
generic ( you know i would refer if it was not but still) cycle infantry

Belgium the Netherlands and Denmark used cycle infantry to a great extent
wiki:
During World War I, cycle-mounted infantry, scouts, messengers and ambulance carriers were extensively used by all combatants. Italy used bicycles with the Bersaglieri (light infantry units) until the end of the war. German Army Jäger (light infantry) battalions each had a bicycle company (Radfahr-Kompanie) at the outbreak of the war, and additional companies were raised during the war bringing the total to 80 companies, a number of which were formed into eight Radfahr-Bataillonen (bicycle battalions). In its aftermath, the German Army conducted a study on the use of the cycle and published its findings in a report entitled Die Radfahrertruppe[citation needed]. The British Army had cyclist companies in its divisions, and later a whole division became The Cyclist Division.

no real pics as it is basically an infantryman with a bike

**King Sama** · February 24, 2013, 01:41 PM

Guys, only proposals following the specified format will be considered. The post below is a great example of how it should be done. It is the only post following the format, and the only one with all the information we need - that's not just a coincidence.

Originally Posted by orfeas_trivium

Evzone Infantry (or simply Evzones)
Link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evzones#Former_units
Images
i. http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/9128/greece02.jpg (View #7)
ii. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zdltEHuUq3...greek+army.jpg
iii. http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7...3evzsgt4xn.jpg (Despite being marked as a 1913 uniform, it was still in use during the Great War.)
Reason to be included
The Evzones were the finest unit of the Greek Army at the time as well as its "trademark" because of their traditional uniform. Without the Evzones any Greek roster is incomplete.
General Info
The Evzones were one of the Greek elite units, if not the greater among them. The personnel that formed the Evzone battalions were mostly highlanders and they were used, apart from light infantry, as assault troops. Their morale and fighting ability were proverbial. It is noteworthy that the Turks tha faced the Evzones regarded them as "Saitan asker" or "Satan's army". The unit used the Mannlicher - Schoenauer standard greek rifle as well as a number of LMGs. As a light unit they were exceptional marksmen, and as an a assault unit fierce melee fighters. Their reloading time would propably be the average for infantry units.

**King Sama** · February 25, 2013, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by TheRomanRuler

Forgive me, but i don`t realise where you need pictures/links making bicycle infantry, as i think its impossible to include bicycle in game, just make them faster version of regular infantry.

If "faster version of regular infantry" is only the quality of bicycle units worth description, then the proposer should write that as directed, along with reasons to include it, links to more information, and a description of the uniforms (even if it's just "same as regular infantry").

The format's main purpose is to ensure all information is present, and the secondary purpose is for readability. It's really not that hard to put "link:" in front of your link.

Furthermore, none of the information should be missing. Name, obviously. Links - if you don't have a single source for your unit, then sorry, but we have no idea whether it existed. Uniform - a description will do, including "the exact same as regular infantry", but it shouldn't be vague. Description also obvious. Reasons why - if you can't think of a single justication for adding a unit, why should we add it?

Anyways, no more discussion. The format must be upheld, as best as possible, and I will ignore any posts that fail to do so.

**Songfish** · February 25, 2013, 02:38 PM

Here's the link and images for the Romanian Vanatori De Munte.

Romanian special units in World War 1 are quite a scarcely documented topic due to the briefness of meaningful Romanian military involvement. (Despite their tremendous losses; old men were forced to work the fields in Romania for a half decade after the war due to the extreme lack of able-bodied young men)

However, the Vanatori De Munte were the best of the Romanian military in that war and after it. Most of the sources available detail their exploits in World War Two, but they're enough to get a decent picture of how the units operated, I think.
The unit existed long before WW1, but it was only named as such after Romanian entrance in the war, further complicating matters.

Name: Vânători de munte

Links:
I: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A2...3tori_de_munte (http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A2...3tori_de_munte)
II: http://romanianspecialforces.com/vanatoridemunte.html

Picture/Uniform: http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/8453/sgt2uf.png

Additional Uniform Information: In 1914 the Vanatori wore their special uniforms, resembling the Italian bersaglieri or French chasseurs. As WWI approached Romania and efforts were made to modernize the army and reorganize it, the 10 vanatori battalions were transformed into regiments. During Romania's participation in WWI (starting in 1916), however, they cease to wear their distinctive hats with black feathers and looked like standard infantry.

Reason: The utilisation of high quality Mountain infantry is an ancient tradition in the Romanian army, and the Vanatori De Munte were the elite special forces at the time and some of the best soldiers in the Romanian military. Without their inclusion, Romania would remain with vanilla Mountain Infantry, which would be a disservice to the nation's requirements.

Info: The mountain hunters of Romania were the special forces of the Romanian army in World War One. At the start of the war the military was outdated, but the Vanatori de Munte still made a name for themselves with their performance in the major battles of the early Transylvanian campaign. Later, they fought with distinction in the battle of Marasesti. The Vanatori de Munte had a higher level of training and professionalism than the regular infantry and, indeed, most foreign mountain troops, and the initiative at battalion level was more developed. In the war of 1919, these same units displayed impressive endurance and coordination during the advance into Soviet Hungary.

Note: In Wallachian's post he also mentions another notable unique unit, the Transylvanian Volunteers. This unit and its history is detailed in depth in his post, which is where the information regarding regimental uniform was obtained.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...-THREAD/page22

**jorkka** · May 04, 2013, 06:50 AM

Hello!

Great to see Finnish Jägers as part of German roster. I put this just to remind of the fact that they returned to Finland and fought in Finnish Civil War which pitted Germany and Finnish white faction (which the jägers also represent) against Russia and Finnish red faction.

Faction: Finland

Name: Jääkäri (Jäger)

Links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A4...vement#History

Picture/Uniform: http://www.kirjastovirma.net/ka/kuvat/6508.jpeg , and the uniform is surprisingly gray.

Reason: They turned the tide in Finnish civil war, formed the backbone of Finnish army in future years and many of them also fought against Russia in unofficial war between Finland and Communist Russia in years 1918-1920 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimosodat)

Info: You already have Finnish Jägers for Germany, so you will have good grasp of what stats they might have. Only thing to remember is that by the time they went back to Finland, every Jäger had been on the front, so they are veterans right from the start, and stats should reflect that. That's why they should have recruitment cap of one or two units (1 261 of them fought in Finland).

**King Sama** · May 08, 2013, 11:08 PM

Just to let you know, this thread will be closed soon, so I'll give a final opportunity if anyone has a suggestion. Thanks for the contributions, all.

**Handgun_Hero** · May 09, 2013, 05:57 AM

Not sure if this has already been included as I haven't played the mod in quite some time (though I am definitely going to start again) but definitely needs to be included I feel for the Portuguese.

Corpo Expedicionário Português (Portuguese Expeditionary Corps)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Expeditionary_Corps

This is a WW1 mod that represents mainly the Western, Eastern, Italian and Balkan front of WW1. The Portuguese Expeditionary Corps represented the army that Portugal deployed to the Western Front in WW1. Though they fought under British command, because Portugal didn't join the war until 1916, it seems more fair that it should be a Portuguese recruited unit in case the player doesn't wish to side with the Entente. This would be perfect for a low morale unit but veteran unit that is more suited to Portugal and their major effort in WW1 for the Entente, which especially in the Battle of The Lys should be noted. Even though they were crushed, they did manage to stand tall to basically the end being outnumbered 5:1.

The Portuguese Expeditionary Corps weren't noted for their morale, which should be on the lower ends of things. On the campaign, it should be a unit that is difficult to resupply, having been heavily hit by attrition warfare and the lack of officers. The lack of leave (due to the troop shortage) and the disappearance of more than half their officers left front line units very bad in shape and low in morale. They were in constant combat and experienced very quickly the realities of Trench Warfare. Give this unit an above average rating for accuracy, reload speed with below average melee, and morale. Basically a militia-moraled unit with the shooting capabilities of a unit with some average experience.

Also sorry for the bad image, it's hard to find some colour images of the Portuguese uniforms. That's just a painted photo really.