The BNP

[GOT REMOTE]

Good post St George.

My own post was a copy and paste from an earlier post in this thread but I felt it was so true that it had to be repeated.
This was my favourit part below:

("What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?"


"How long would it take anyone to realize I'm not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?"


"And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn't object to this?" )
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Non White immigration into EVERY white country and ONLY into WHITE countries is constructive GENOCIDE

[gigagaia]

Genocide is also: "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
~Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

I don't see illegal immigration here. Genocide is a crime of intent, one whereby people seek means to end another groups existence, intentionally. Immigration is the movement of peoples from one area of the globe to another. Thus I fail to see how immigration is genocide?

[Sétanta]

In Britian I believe we have a lot more of it than in America.

The country that invented the KKK? I think not. We are allowed to spew hate speech at every opportunity, we can call for the execution of our president for war crimes, as long as nobody is being threatened, its fine. There is a group called the ACLU, and they don't like free speech that much (unless you are an oppresed minority), but I wouldn't base your assumptions about America on what those wackos want our country to be like.

[Tom Paine]

Actually that's the thing... free speech zones, as an example, are eroding that right. And it is eroded, Mudd. Equally, the law is "incitement to racial or religious hatred", which threatens the wellbeing of those whom hatred is being incited against.

[GOT REMOTE]

Genocide is also: "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
~Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

I don't see illegal immigration here. Genocide is a crime of intent, one whereby people seek means to end another groups existence, intentionally. Immigration is the movement of peoples from one area of the globe to another. Thus I fail to see how immigration is genocide?

Taking a race of people and replacing them in their own country with ppl from somewhere else is GENOCIDE, I am sure you would understand this if we were talking about Black ppl in Africa, or Asian people in Asia.

[Tom Paine]

Relpacing? Who said anything about replacing? Or have you decided consensual interbreeding is replacement, and that immigration is replacement because small number (on the national scale) enter and make up a minority?

[St George]

All personal views aside, if Abu hamza was guilty (and so he was found), then so were they; all personal views aside, they should not have got off as they did; and, personal views not aside, it is they, not the asylum seekers, who are the cockroaches.

What you just said that if one thieves, rapes, and murders he cannot be called a "cockroach" if he is a Pakistani.

What you just said is that it is worse to call a thief, a rapist, or a murderer a "cockroach" than it is to steal from, rape, and murder an Englishman.

Why should anyone ever treat you with any respect?!

Your are committing the "mental harm" in the UN's 1948 definition of Genocide. You are saying that it is meet and right to commit horrible crimes against the British.

[GOT REMOTE]

Relpacing? Who said anything about replacing? Or have you decided consensual interbreeding is replacement, and that immigration is replacement because small number (on the national scale) enter and make up a minority?

I am talking about whites becoming a minoritie in the UK being out populated in their own country by other races.
Dont you see a problem with that?

[Tom Paine]

Okay, this I do not understand; in all honesty. How am I saying its any worse? How am I justifying the deeds? I'm saying that calling all immigrants cockroaches, saying they are all thieves and rapists, is nothing short of libel, for a start; and that the people who do it are unworthy of respect, given their strident and libellous statements.

GR, personally, no, I don't see a problem with it; I don't really care about what race someone is, given that it affects nothing else, really, and certainly not outlook. Why does it matter, in the end? I might add you are suggesting an impossibility.

[St George]

Relpacing? Who said anything about replacing? Or have you decided consensual interbreeding is replacement, and that immigration is replacement because small number (on the national scale) enter and make up a minority?

Official Government figures project that the British will be a minority in Great Britain well before the end of the century. That is replacement. That is genocide.

The above quotation excuses genocide.

Anyone who excuses genocide is worse than a mass murderer.

[Tom Paine]

I would ask you to post such figures and explain why it is genocide, which is (as has been noted and stated before): " killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." You are incredibly quick to call something genocide which it is, in fact, nothing akin to.

[gigagaia]

Please refrain from comparing members on this forum to mass-murderers. Whilst a grey area with respect to the TOS, you are treading a fine line and you may find yourself crossing over that line precipitously quickly as the discussion progresses, a line which bears consequences for being crossed...

Taking a race of people and replacing them in their own country with ppl from somewhere else is GENOCIDE, I am sure you would understand this if we were talking about Black ppl in Africa, or Asian people in Asia.

Actually I don't. Genocide is a crime of killing, not a tragedy of migration flows... Would you say that America and Canada are products of genocide?

[GOT REMOTE]

I would ask you to post such figures and explain why it is genocide, which is (as has been noted and stated before): " killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." You are incredibly quick to call something genocide which it is, in fact, nothing akin to.

I am curious, would it bother you if whites became a minority in the UK??

[Tom Paine]

As I previously answered:
"GR, personally, no, I don't see a problem with it; I don't really care about what race someone is, given that it affects nothing else, really, and certainly not outlook. Why does it matter, in the end? I might add you are suggesting an impossibility."

In the end, why does it matter what race is a majority? What difference does it make politically? Socially? Culturally? Nil.

[Visna]

Seeing as noone has answered my questions I'll try to ask them again. Maybe St. George can answer them now that he is online.
1. Supposing that what you say is true, why is interracial sex inherrently wrong?
2. How do you encourage people to have interracial sex?
3. For anything to be labelled as a genocide, there must be intent to commit genocide. Please prove that there is.

[happyho]

Please refrain from comparing members on this forum to mass-murderers. Whilst a grey area with respect to the TOS, you are treading a fine line and you may find yourself crossing over that line precipitously quickly as the discussion progresses, a line which bears consequences for being crossed...


Actually I don't. Genocide is a crime of killing, not a tragedy of migration flows... Would you say that America and Canada are products of genocide?

Hate to say it but in Canada genocide has occured, the Beothuk Native Americans were completely wiped out by conflicts with white colonists and also disease in what is now Newfoundland. By 1829 they were all gone.

[gigagaia]

Hate to say it but in Canada genocide has occured, the Beothuk Native Americans were completely wiped out by conflicts with white colonists and also disease in what is now Newfoundland. By 1829 they were all gone.

So then condoning the existence of Canada and the US is akin to condoning mas-murder as well then? Essentially, those that recognize the existence of these states and their leaders, 95% of the world, are condoning mass murder?

[GOT REMOTE]

Please refrain from comparing members on this forum to mass-murderers. Whilst a grey area with respect to the TOS, you are treading a fine line and you may find yourself crossing over that line precipitously quickly as the discussion progresses, a line which bears consequences for being crossed...

I don't remember calling or comparing anyone to a mass murderer?

Actually I don't. Genocide is a crime of killing, not a tragedy of migration flows... Would you say that America and Canada are products of genocide?

The issue in the USA is between the native Indians and the whites who took over the continent that issue will not be solved by simply giving the country to the Mexicans who are currently flooding over the border.

As I previously answered:
"GR, personally, no, I don't see a problem with it; I don't really care about what race someone is, given that it affects nothing else, really, and certainly not outlook. Why does it matter, in the end? I might add you are suggesting an impossibility."

In the end, why does it matter what race is a majority? What difference does it make politically? Socially? Culturally? Nil.

So you would have no problem if Blacks become a minority Africa?

please use the edit button insted of double-posting... thanks!

[gigagaia]

The issue in the USA is between the native Indians and the whites who took over the continent that issue will not be solved by simply giving the country to the Mexicans who are currently flooding over the border.

I was actually talking more about when the first European settlers arrived in North America and displaced the native peoples, forming new settlements and eventually states which pushed native populations to the brink of existence due to a mass-influx of migration. Kind of what you think is what is happening in Britain, but in a slightly larger scale...

[Tom Paine]

The issue in the USA is between the native Indians and the whites who took over the continent that issue will not be solved by simply giving the country to the Mexicans who are currently flooding over the border.

A neat trick of avoiding the question.

So you would have no problem if Blacks become a minority Africa?

Not if the reason was simply immigration.