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That belongs to us (Taiwan), dammit.This is about fishing grounds, oil, gas, and direct access to the open ocean.
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Your bias shines through here: the USA shouldn't interfere with other country's territory; it should just let China interfere with other country's territory instead because China happens to not be the USA. It's also funny that you describe the area as "useless" and imply that that's a good reason not to hold onto it and just pass it over to China. Why should China get "useless" land? What good reason do you have for this argument except your anti-US bias?
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Because the Chinese were controlling those areas before the European colonial powers & Japan came?
Unless you are referring to the islands in the South China sea (which nobody controls and thus isn't relevant to this discussion), your reply is senseless. The area which S. Korea has controls and should be given up is a worthless rock - giving it over to China would only improve relations with China, and piss off some S. Korean nationalists. Probably the same with Vietnam and Japan.What an insane post. Yes, I'm sure Vietnam and Korea would happily cede the lion's share of their maritime territories to China. Also, this isn't about "useless plots of disputed area". This is about fishing grounds, oil, gas, and direct access to the open ocean.
You simply have no knowledge or clouded by propaganda so much
I have little idea about Korea (don't know much about their history) yet Vietnam need no "US influence" to back her about disputation. Vietnamese have no fear of China, they stand alone again the big bullier for thousand years, witness countless invasion from China and still stand.
If the big bullier named China can take those seas then sooner or later it will lay claim another things like: "According to history, the Great Han policies and the old map of Tang Dynasty whole of Vietnam, Korea, Mongol, Siberia, bla...bla...bla...bla and America (Chinese claim they discovered America first) belong to China!"
And what's "useless plots" you say!? South China Sea/Vietnam's East Sea/West Philippines sea contented so much interest
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So China is allowed to meddle in the regions politics based off of centuries old claims on areas they actually haven't had control over for centuries but the US isn't allowed to back up it's allies in the region who would more than likely stand up to chinese on their own and bring a greater level of instability to the region? What the ?
Maybe a land war will get the Chinese nothing, but war at sea requires actual warships and weapon systems, something that SEA countries lack in large enough numbers to protect their claimed maritime territories.
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Meddle? China has been disputing that korean rock for ages. The chinese claim doesnt come from nowhere.
And who here is seriously suggesting China is "stealing" the south china sea? That area has never been under anyones control ever. All the SE asian states are bickering over it now due to the oil there, with US joining the fray with its "allies" and its gunboat diplomacy.
Notice that this article doesn't include enforcing international law or protecting allies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunboat_diplomacy
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Obviously they do not. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Sea_claims.jpg
Both Vietnam, China, the Philippines and others claim the islands in the area. That the Chinese claims are a bit more optimistic than the rest doesn't change the fact that nobody has ever owned these islands, and thus it is ridiculous to proclaim China is claiming others' sea-areas.
Right, so we Germans can claim Poland on that ground? After all, it was ours before the dirty allies came meddling. By the way, what happened to Königsberg?
There isn't such a thing as a "worthless rock" in maritime issues. Every island brings with it a region of surrounding sea and has some strategic importance of its own. Owning some "worthless rock" like Diaoyu can decide about whether China has direct access to the open sea or not.Unless you are referring to the islands in the South China sea (which nobody controls and thus isn't relevant to this discussion), your reply is senseless. The area which S. Korea has controls and should be given up is a worthless rock - giving it over to China would only improve relations with China, and piss off some S. Korean nationalists. Probably the same with Vietnam and Japan.
Also, China claiming the coastal waters of Vietnam and Malaysia is not even remotely justifiable, it's just insolent.
The rock is underwater, so it isn't counted as land. Also @lol@ at the rock having any sort military importance.
China has been claiming those islands just like Vietnam, Malaysia and the Philippines. And I wouldn't call their eagerness "insolence" - more an attempt at strengthening their bargaining position. Regardless, my point was that all sides in the area have insane claims, not just China. As written on wikipedia, this is a border dispute among many nations, not China bullying everybody and stealing their oceans like the ridiculous OP-video portrays it.Also, China claiming the coastal waters of Vietnam and Malaysia is not even remotely justifiable, it's just insolent.
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So you don't think that China's claim cutting a broad swathe through every other country's normal territorial claim is unreasonable at all?
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