My faction leader went rogue

**Magician Reversed** · February 04, 2013, 01:33 PM

This just happened and I can barely believe it. I was playing as Labrynna and I put Queen Ambi in charge of one of my armies that I sent to capture a rebel town. I also had recruited Ashei into this army. Since it's early in the game this army comprised about half my military force (those that were competent anyway), including units I currently can't replace. One turn later I find that both Queen Ambi and Ashei have defected to the city they were besieging and my army is gone. Neither of them had loyalty issues, and Ambi even had a decent chivalry score. Was this just a random fluke or is it a bug? I didn't even think your faction leader could go rogue.

**Mattwensley** · February 04, 2013, 01:38 PM

Loyalty in faction leaders and generals is a known issue (see the Bug/Technical issues subforum for listed and known bugs). For now, keep them in a settlement and they should be ok. There should also be no official faction leaders (if there are, it is a bug), as removing this was necessary for some of the features Neph wants to implement.

**Zectorman** · February 04, 2013, 03:30 PM

wouldn't have this problem if we stuck with the family trees.....*grumble grumble*

**zacen299** · February 04, 2013, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Zectorman

wouldn't have this problem if we stuck with the family trees.....*grumble grumble*

You know as well as I do they needed to be turfed so no whining.

**Saria's Vanguard** · February 04, 2013, 11:28 PM

I didn't realize other faction leaders outside Labrynna had loyalty problems. Zalunbar, Zant and Saria have yet to abandon me. Due to recent computer issues I haven't had much time playing other factions

**lax15** · February 05, 2013, 06:43 PM

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**HerofTime** · February 05, 2013, 06:57 PM

Officially no you don't get one. Only way you can is if you start getting family members via a bug.

**Opus** · February 05, 2013, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by lax15

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Does anybody know what's going on here? I'm a little confused.

**Magician Reversed** · February 06, 2013, 05:26 PM

Come to think of it Queen Ambi's loyalty is at more or less absolute zero, but she doesn't have any traits that negatively affect loyalty. (At least that's how it is in my campaign) It just seems surprising that after one turn outside the capital she would abandon me. Maybe she longed for a simpler life in some backwater rebel town.

**DiddlyDark** · February 06, 2013, 06:33 PM

Perhaps Veran's mind control only works when she's inside the capital.

Which means, she isn't really "rebelling" against her nation. In reality, Ambi is trying to save her people from being assimilated by Space Aliens.

Or the game mechanics are ballsing it up.