New Goal: Get Wedge For Infantry

**Rushwithoutmercy** · January 26, 2013, 04:42 AM

The Romans used the infantry wedge extensively, just so you know. It was often applied when facing a numerically superior opponent.

You can read up on the purpose, if you so wish.

**Andytheplatypus** · January 26, 2013, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by k/t

Where is this abilities file, and are you sure it's not just for Hero Abilities?

Oh, reread, you were asking where it is.

I think I remember seeing something recently, I'll have a look.

TA has a file called descr_hero_abilities in the "data" folder.

Ill have to take a look when I get some time tonight. Thanks.

Yes romans used it and so did other other cultures.

**Andytheplatypus** · January 26, 2013, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by k/t

Where is this abilities file, and are you sure it's not just for Hero Abilities?

Oh, reread, you were asking where it is.

I think I remember seeing something recently, I'll have a look.

TA has a file called descr_hero_abilities in the "data" folder.

Just did a quick search and I dont have that file. Assuming its a kingdoms file that lets you edit abilities. Ill try asking in mod workshop.

**k/t** · January 26, 2013, 03:25 PM

I play the RR/RC Compilation for TA 1.4. Gandalf and the Nazgul have morale-affecting properties. I forget if Aragorn has anything.

**Andytheplatypus** · January 26, 2013, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by k/t

I play the RR/RC Compilation for TA 1.4. Gandalf and the Nazgul have morale-affecting properties. I forget if Aragorn has anything.

Did some research. "Hero" abilities like you said are customizable. But I still haven't been able to find anything about formation abilities yet.

**Andytheplatypus** · January 26, 2013, 04:43 PM

If you break an armies main line in half with a wedge type formation then it is more likely to rout

**Rushwithoutmercy** · January 26, 2013, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Troll King

i don't see the purpose of such a formation in the roman armies

their superiority wasn't the numerical one,but the discipline and the training of the soldiers and the ability to hold the line

You misunderstood my sentence. Go back to school.

''when facing''

**DPFarce** · January 26, 2013, 07:19 PM

According to Tacitus (and I guess with the help of 'modern interpretations) the Romans who fought Boudicca forme a 'wedge-line' of some sort, using their heavier armor an formation as like a massive spike wall driving through the lesser-equipped Briton infantry.

I don't think that a wedge formation for infantry would immediately be 'worthless', but whether or not the soldiers of the medieval peroid were strong enough to keep such a formation, I agree, is questionable.

Still, We haven't even gotten shield wall to work properly (the infantry walk on the spot), I'm not sure how wedge formation will work

**Andytheplatypus** · January 27, 2013, 01:08 AM

All of this

is irrelevant since I cant get wedge to work for infantry yet.

**Rushwithoutmercy** · January 27, 2013, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Troll King

i know what your little neuron thinked of but still if the army line is so large not even the ,,roman wedge'' will break it

less likely to happend with the barbarian tribes

Niggar, English, please....

**Andytheplatypus** · January 27, 2013, 08:36 PM

We can go ahead and close this topic. Wedge seems to be impossible to get to work on infantry and these douches side tracked the main purpose of it anyway.

**k/t** · January 28, 2013, 06:31 PM

The engine must be somehow able to tell whether the unit is infantry or cavalry even if the tag is changed. Perhaps it sees that there's no mount and says "Aha! This guy is trying to pull a fast one! I'll CTD and show him!"

Hmm...what if you add a "mount" line to the infantry unit?

I'm not trying to discourage you from spreading your modderwings, but my e-bucks are on "hardcoded".

**Andytheplatypus** · January 28, 2013, 07:53 PM

Haha yea.

Well problem with adding mount to edu and not to bm is you will have a mount but unit wont be sittibg on it correctly. If it doesnt ctd immediately because of differences between two files. Dont think there is any way around it

**napoleonic** · January 29, 2013, 12:46 AM

solution : hire or ask help from a 3d modeler, create a new infantry model but assign it as a mounted unit model.

that's the last thing you could try to do before 'hardcoded' limitation.

**~~King of the Ring~~** · January 29, 2013, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by napoleonic

solution : hire or ask help from a 3d modeler, create a new infantry model but assign it as a mounted unit model.

that's the last thing you could try to do before 'hardcoded' limitation.

i don't think that's gonna work, accidentally , when i modded my SS i assigned one infantry as cavalry and it got stucked under the map with only the head visible above the ground

**napoleonic** · January 29, 2013, 05:24 AM

that's odd, game engine shouldn't be able to differentiate the 3d models

**Andytheplatypus** · January 29, 2013, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by napoleonic

solution : hire or ask help from a 3d modeler, create a new infantry model but assign it as a mounted unit model.

that's the last thing you could try to do before 'hardcoded' limitation.

Hah. Hire. Thats funny. Its really not a big deal. I wanted to see if it was possible to do and it apparently isnt. Not something I care to ask someone to waste time modding.

**~~King of the Ring~~** · January 31, 2013, 05:27 AM

even if you manage to make wedge for infantry it won't hold too long, think realistic , this worked in reality only , in this game the dumb AI doesn't even keep a straight line he just rushes on diagonally with units and even if he would keep a straight line , the game engine wont keep it for long , it will go irregularly