[Preview] The Magyars

[Reno Melitensis]

Great preview and great work to all TGC team members. +rep to all.

Cheers

[beos777]

Awesome!!!!Great preview guys!!amazing units, all of us hope to play this mod as soon as possible!!Keep it up guys

[_Tartaros_]

yeass!!
finally after long waiting - great preview and unit
i´m very impressed, it´s definitely a new level of me2tw

[koultouras]

yeass!!
finally after long waiting - great preview and unit
i´m very impressed, it´s definitely a new level of me2tw

yes, and we are sorry to keep you guys waiting, but when one is a perfectionist, sometimes others really feal the heat.

Magyars have been ready for over a year.(or so )
(Pechenegs and Tulunids are as well, as far as i can say regarding my work, and i would assume there are also 2-3 factions by my fellow co-moders that are waiting in the que for being previewed)

AnthoniusII is a bit rigorous when it comes in previews, he wants everything to be in place.
Cant blame him,...we all would probably be, when walking in his shoes.
Besides photos and 2d we need accurate texts, in which the language barrier is maximizing sometimes the time
for a preview to see full realization.

Please have in mind that there is nothing we want to do more than to show you guys everything we got.
But AnthoniusII's dream-mod is not a game limited to provide "eyecandy" solely, but to "educate" in a way.
And i certainly couldnt agree more, and i certainly could not do my self otherwise.
So please , be patient, and eventually we will all talk about the "TGC experience"

[Deutschland]

Great preview as always +rep

[Mausolos of Caria]

Great preview, guys, have some rep! I'm really looking forward to play the Magyars, having always liked Hungary and it's history

[HannibalExMachina]

About the knights issue...
We had two choices:

a)
Gisela marries Stephen I and brings a unit of german knights (a single unit that can not be recruited again).
The problem in this would be that after 1010AD Magyars will be actually Hungarians. Ofcourse "Hungarians" did NOT change in a single day.
As the Magyar TW modding team notticed there were a number of revolts to defend the Pagan customs and the old way of living.
As Hungarians though TGC Magyars will need a unit to show their transformation from tribal people to people of a feudal kingdom.
b) Gisela marries Stephen I, brings her escort (knights, priests, scholars etc).
German Knights are only part of the main event that describes all these.
Hungary uses the "teachings" of Gisela's escorts and copy the knight style of warfare.
That way after 1010AD TGC Magyars (as Hungarians) will have a unit of the new era (like the Croatian Vitez) ,expensive to maintain ,with low recruitment rate but recruitable never the less.

When the knight lance charge event will pop up in the mod some factions will recieve new units fighting the "knight" style.
This does not meen that there wont be such unit before simply because we can not do other way. But that event will triger units like:
Norman late Knights
Croatian Vitez
And Hungarian knights -with the need of the event of marriage of Gisela and Stephen.

it seems that the bok are basically the precursor unit to knights, so will they simply be replaced after this event? or can knights be recruited additionally?

[Silesian_Noble]

it seems that the bok are basically the precursor unit to knights, so will they simply be replaced after this event? or can knights be recruited additionally?

In my opinion no. The knights in service of the Hungarian king for the period of TGC timeframe consisted of Germans. The feudalization of Hungarian army and therefore the adoption of the knight style by native Hungarian nobles was a slow process which could started within TGC timeframe but developed much, much later. So the knights of Hungarian army of TGC period were all or almost all Germans. While all Boks were Hungarians.

[Admiral Piett]

Absolutely wonderful! Hungary's history has always been a fascinating one. I eagerly await each preview. This and DOTS are my most eagerly anticipated mods

[Matthæus]

congratulations to my team members on work well done.

[Bernardius]

great preview, interesting faction!!!

[AnthoniusII]

it seems that the bok are basically the precursor unit to knights, so will they simply be replaced after this event? or can knights be recruited additionally?

Hungarian knights will slowly replace local nobillity of Magyars showing the transformation of the tribal based administration to feudal one.
So if Knights are about to replace a unit Kiseret are the closest cantidates.

[torzsoktamas]

Great preview.A very well represented Magyar faction.
You all deserve a big applause.

[Rijul.J.Ballal]

Good work guys! i will rep you when i can.

[paradamed]

Holy gosh! Great preview guys! Visually, this is the M2TW engine pushed to the max! The historical background is also greatly detailed!

[Socal_infidel]

Fantastic preview, gentlemen. It's a testament to the mod's dedication that I can never tell whether the units do the historical info justice or whether the historical info does the units justice. But great work all around. And especially to koultouras. I know how hard it is to make the units in a steppe army unique and distinctive. And these units are lovely.

[kiskompi]

I'm really looking forward to play the Magyars, having always liked Hungary and it's history

Hungary's history has always been a fascinating one.

I'm happy you liked it.

If we want to be historically accurate, then we should have a completely different Magyar and Hungarian army. You can see the Magyar army above, but that was only before King Stephen I.

I could write many thing about the reforms of Stephen, but it's unnecessary. The most important: he destoryed the tribal society, and build a new, feudal one - in 30 years! Yes, there were some rebellions against it, but it was a huge result. There were many cases of the succession of Stephen - the Magyars' religion had a female deity, who was changed to Holy Mary in Christianity, and Magyars knew Christianity before, etc.

In paralell with the changes in the society and religion, he also changed the military organisation. Its centres were the king's castles, and the base of the army were the "várnépek", who were peasants with special military duties, and privileges. Their officers were the "várjobbágyok", who were mostly "bők" before the reforms. The "várnépek" fought on foot, while "várjobbágyok" fought on horse. Of course there were many other parts of the army (for example Szeklers, Pechenegs, Cumans, or knights), the most of the army looked liked this.

The Hungarian nobles had bow until the XIII-XIV.century, however they had heavy armor, and chivalric style weaponry too.

And thank you for the +reps!

[koultouras]

Fantastic preview, gentlemen. It's a testament to the mod's dedication that I can never tell whether the units do the historical info justice or whether the historical info does the units justice. But great work all around. And especially to koultouras. I know how hard it is to make the units in a steppe army unique and distinctive. And these units are lovely.

Honestly?... i think your turcomans look better.
And i mean it .

[Tadzreuli]

great mod will be !!!

I can't wait to play

[Mausolos of Caria]

I'm happy you liked it.

If we want to be historically accurate, then we should have a completely different Magyar and Hungarian army. You can see the Magyar army above, but that was only before King Stephen I.

I could write many thing about the reforms of Stephen, but it's unnecessary. The most important: he destoryed the tribal society, and build a new, feudal one - in 30 years! Yes, there were some rebellions against it, but it was a huge result. There were many cases of the succession of Stephen - the Magyars' religion had a female deity, who was changed to Holy Mary in Christianity, and Magyars knew Christianity before, etc.

In paralell with the changes in the society and religion, he also changed the military organisation. Its centres were the king's castles, and the base of the army were the "várnépek", who were peasants with special military duties, and privileges. Their officers were the "várjobbágyok", who were mostly "bők" before the reforms. The "várnépek" fought on foot, while "várjobbágyok" fought on horse. Of course there were many other parts of the army (for example Szeklers, Pechenegs, Cumans, or knights), the most of the army looked liked this.

The Hungarian nobles had bow until the XIII-XIV.century, however they had heavy armor, and chivalric style weaponry too.

And thank you for the +reps!

No problem I'm eager to see how the evolution of the Magyars into the Hungarians will be portrayed in the game. Didn't Stephen also introduce ten vármegyék/counties to control his kingdom? I think the counts were called ispán, but you will probably know better Will you have titles like these as traits for the Magyars? Maybe they could be unlocked during Stephen's time as well and give additional bonuses like increased law or influence.