Tolkien General Discussion II

[Macilrille]

Alone amongst the striving Princes stood Galadriel...

I have never looked into the surviving houses of Gondolin and I believe it is stated nowhere, one would have to research it. Which I do not, regrettably, have time for.

[conon394]

As others have said there is no positive proof, and Glorfindel does not count. But there is the example of note:

"'I am Gildor,' answered their leader, the Elf who had first hailed him. 'Gildor Inglorion of the
House of Finrod."

All the Eldar Kingdom's fell hard but if Gildor survived the fall of Nargothrond that leaves open the chance for others, also in his final(ish) version Celebrimbor survived the fall of Nargothrond

[Hanny]

When Glorfindel was slain his spirit would then go to Mandos and be
judged, and then would remain in the Halls of Waiting until
Manwe granted him release.

The Elves were destined to be by nature 'immortal', within
the unknown limits of the life of the Earth as a habitable realm, and their disembodiment was a grievous thing. It was the duty, therefore, of the Valar to restore
them, if they were slain, to incarnate life, if they desired it -
unless for some grave (and rare) reason: such as deeds of great
evil, or any works of malice of which they remained obdurately
unrepentant. When they were re-embodied they could remain in
Valinor, or return to Middle-earth if their home had been there.

We can therefore reasonably suppose that Glorfindel, after the
purging or forgiveness of his part in the rebellion of the Noldor,
was released from Mandos and became himself again, but
remained in the Blessed Realm - for Gondolin was destroyed
and all or most of his kin had perished. We can thus understand
why he seems so powerful a figure and almost 'angelic'. For he
had returned to the primitive innocence of the First-born, and
had then lived among those Elves who had never rebelled, and
in the companionship of the Maiar for ages: from the last years
of the First Age, through the Second Age, to the end of the first
millennium of the Third Age: before he returned to Middle-
earth.

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[Loki_999]

Taking the example of Glorfindel as the basis for all elves is a risky choice. It was the biggest retcon in fantasy until Superman was brought back from the dead.

(Basically Tolkien didn't realize he'd used the same name twice for two different characters, and as elves are meant to have unique names, something had to wiggle a bit to make things fit).

[Ngugi]

(Basically Tolkien didn't realize he'd used the same name twice for two different characters, and as elves are meant to have unique names, something had to wiggle a bit to make things fit).

To be proper, he was just not completly sure how the story went at the time and never decided anything officially, but he did have them in mind as possibly one and the same man when he wrote LotR;

In the summer of 1938, when my father was pondering The Council of Elrond in the Lord of the Rings, he wrote : 'Glorfindel tells of his ancestry in Gondolin'(VI.214).

[Elven Warrior]

i did a little research. the house of the heavenly arch sorta surived because there leader egalmath (not spelled right) made it tot the havens of sirion where he died in the 3rd kinslaying. the house of the tree i think also survived because they were the scouts o the escape. the house of the wing survived because tuor escaped.

so to recap.
alive
house of the wing
house of the tree
house of the heavenly arch
house of the golden flower (sorta)

dead
house of the mole
house of the fountain
house of the hammer of the wrath

[adutrix111]

I apologize for my late reply. Word Sindar is not made-up language it comes from Ancient slavic Sin dar. Many cultures in India and Tibet used that word for they God Buda. He was Sindar or gifted chiled..

[knight of meh]

in this instance the word Sindar is made up because it's meaning has no reflection on this world it is a fictional language in a fictional universe

it is a Quenya word ; this next paragraph is from tolkiengateway on Quenya and its influences

Quenya's phonology and grammar are most strongly influenced by Finnish, which is an agglutinative language; grammatical inspiration also comes from Latin and Greek. The phonology is also based on Finnish, and to a lesser extent Latin, Italian and Spanish.

so you see it can be linked to many languages but one word that has proper meaning in this world does not mean Tolkien knew that word or that he didn't make it up as he did with the rest of the language