Global warming is not that bad

[Col. Tartleton]

If all the sea ice melts there will be no change in sea levels. However yes, if all the polar ice in Greenland and Antarctica melted it would cause significant flooding in low lying areas (coastal plains). However it should be noted that land ice is growing in the Antarctic faster than it's melting in Greenland, so I'm somewhat skeptical we will see oceans rise.

However it wouldn't flood because we'd build fairly simple age old dikes.

[Aanker]

I think, really, the greatest effects of global warming will be seen in developing countries, but it's not like things can get much worse there anyway.

[NRohirrim]

I think, really, the greatest effects of global warming will be seen in developing countries

If that so, let'em pay in the first place climate taxes, instead of big carbon taxes in f.e: EU countries or some provinces of Canada etc.

[The spartan]

If all the sea ice melts there will be no change in sea levels. However yes, if all the polar ice in Greenland and Antarctica melted it would cause significant flooding in low lying areas (coastal plains). However it should be noted that land ice is growing in the Antarctic faster than it's melting in Greenland, so I'm somewhat skeptical we will see oceans rise.

However it wouldn't flood because we'd build fairly simple age old dikes.

It's not.

[Denny Crane!]

Such as...? Again, solar output is normal.



What do you mean "proof behind the cause"? As in, what is the cause? That is what I am talking about, knowing the mechanics of greenhouse gases, climate, and other factors that effect global temperature are all pretty simple stuff. Of all of the things that affect global temperature, it seems as if the human tampering of the carbon cycle is the only mechanic that is changing significantly. As to how long effects will take or what exactly those effects will be are beyond my knowledge for sure, but there is no harm in speculation as long as it is treated as speculation.



Is this meant to imply we should be more animalistic?

All pretty simple stuff but to what to degree? That is not simple at all, the human effect is not simple and understanding the natural processes that release and absorb are not simple. Speculation treated as speculation is fine but its pretty useless from laymen (and often from scientists).

[The spartan]

All pretty simple stuff but to what to degree? That is not simple at all, the human effect is not simple and understanding the natural processes that release and absorb are not simple. Speculation treated as speculation is fine but its pretty useless from laymen (and often from scientists).

Specific effects, yes, are complex. Stuff like total output of greenhouse gases are very easy, as well as how much is absorbed and released by nature. Humans are the biggest net contributor of CO2 (especially from fossil fuels, which is what matters in the case of the carbon cycle).

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Speculation vs speculation on anything other than opinions is just normal argument and should obviously be taken with a grain of salt. That being said, nothing I have put forth so far has been speculation.

[Denny Crane!]

The meat is in those specifics which was my point and those specifics which are most contentious

[The spartan]

The meat is in those specifics which was my point and those specifics which are most contentious

Most of the laymen debates are about whether "man made global warming is real". With all of the obvious facts we know, few informed people say that there is no global warming are that men are not responsible for it.

Proof.


I am fairly well educated in environmental sciences, but I am no expert. I, however, have not been presenting arguments I have come up with. I reference what other, more qualified people had already said. I am, personally, very concerned about your nihilistic approach to GCC discussions.

[╬Ritterbruder╬]

the main problem, as my ecology professor told me, is not the one with the melting of ice and ocean levels.
it's with the disruption of eco systems, which, at the moment we don't have great responses too (they may be developped, but they still have to be develloped)

[Denny Crane!]

Most of the laymen debates are about whether "man made global warming is real". With all of the obvious facts we know, few informed people say that there is no global warming are that men are not responsible for it.

Proof.


I am fairly well educated in environmental sciences, but I am no expert. I, however, have not been presenting arguments I have come up with. I reference what other, more qualified people had already said. I am, personally, very concerned about your nihilistic approach to GCC discussions.

Why? I am not well versed in the science of specific gene based cancer treatments and therefore wouldn't get into a debate on the validity of the science as I am not qualified, I am quite prepared to take the scientists kidding on it. Is that also nihilistic?

[╬Ritterbruder╬]

Why? I am not well versed in the science of specific gene based cancer treatments and therefore wouldn't get into a debate on the validity of the science as I am not qualified, I am quite prepared to take the scientists kidding on it. Is that also nihilistic?

so you say it doesn't matter that he brings forth his sources, since you don't understand them?

I'm not saying that spartan is the almight god who we should all hear in awe as he spreads his wisdom on the matter over this thread. But he stated he has a good background knowledge, he can provide sources, so his arguments may stand, and as we don't know better than him, we can't blame him for that

[Col. Tartleton]

If we're lucky we'll end all life on earth.

Dear Rogue Asteroid:

Kill Denied.

Love, The Puny Earthlings

XOXO

It's not.

When the ocean is noticeably higher I'll have noticed. I drive on a road through a marsh all the time.

[╬Ritterbruder╬]

If we're lucky we'll end all life on earth.

Dear Rogue Asteroid:

Kill Denied.

Love, The Puny Earthlings

XOXO

we can't kill all bacterial life, nor can an asteroïd. I can barely see any use of this post.

For all those that like to see themselves as the stoïc intellectuals who cannot be dazed: I'm not buying it
the world that is tomorrow does concern all of us, including yourself

[Col. Tartleton]

we can't kill all bacterial life, nor can an asteroïd. I can barely see any use of this post.

For all those that like to see themselves as the stoïc intellectuals who cannot be dazed: I'm not buying it
the world that is tomorrow does concern all of us, including yourself

I'll live as long as I live. If I die today or in the next century or the next there is no way for me to know. When I'm dead this world is not my concern.

I doubt I'll be the generation that ruins the planet or mankind. My individual contributions to world problems are insignificant. Thus it's not my fault if things go bad.

[╬Ritterbruder╬]

I doubt I'll be the generation that ruins the planet or mankind. My individual contributions to world problems are insignificant. Thus it's not my fault if things go bad.

and that's where the phrase: "if everybody thinks that way..." kicks in

[Nikitn]

I'll live as long as I live. If I die today or in the next century or the next there is no way for me to know. When I'm dead this world is not my concern.

I doubt I'll be the generation that ruins the planet or mankind. My individual contributions to world problems are insignificant. Thus it's not my fault if things go bad.

I wonder: do you vote republican?

[Col. Tartleton]

and that's where the phrase: "if everybody thinks that way..." kicks in

Everyone does think that way. That's why we may or may not be screwed.

I wonder: do you vote republican?

Historically. I don't commit entirely to the current party because they aren't what I consider to be Republican enough. I'm in my opinion a fairly radical liberal who leans toward conservative preferences personally. I've voted for reasonable Democrats too and will continue to.

[The spartan]

When the ocean is noticeably higher I'll have noticed. I drive on a road through a marsh all the time.

They are rising. Whether you notice it or not is irrelevant.

[Col. Tartleton]

They are rising. Whether you notice it or not is irrelevant.

About 1mm per year over the last 170 years? Time to throw in the towel. We're all dead.

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[The spartan]

About 1mm per year over the last 170 years? Time to throw in the towel. We're all dead.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

1.34 mm a year actually, and yeah, that is a lot (it has been increasing at an increasing rate recently). Thank you for your layman assessment of what the ocean level should be.