broken custom settlements?

**eugenioso** · December 18, 2012, 06:11 PM

its too much now. trying to siege Minas morgul was an absolute nightmare thanks to the horrifying pathfinding and constant map sticking. now i get sieged in it and not only do i wait indefinitely for the enemy ram to reach the gates, my units wont fire at all.

now i got an army there with plenty of archers and its gone. coulda easily held it against mordor but now im screwed.

my advice is simply turn morgul into something simpler, but more importantly into something that works.

**leo.civil.uefs** · December 18, 2012, 07:11 PM

I dont know about Minas Morgul as I never played it but I totally in favor of make a general review in all problematic custom settlements to start fixind that issues.

Problem is that the one guy who really knows how to do it is KK and he is gone.

I did modifications in rivendell and osgiliath but never tryed MM.

**Steward Denethor II** · December 18, 2012, 07:59 PM

I sort of agree especially around the bridge, when I was Gondor and the defender sallied and broke these path finding glitches made it impossible to get all the orcs. So there was a fight in the main square which costed me one of my favorite Generals, as well as around (150?) men.

**eugenioso** · December 18, 2012, 09:49 PM

something cool happened once again:

fighting a defensive battle in imladris as the HE ofc. i beat every single enemy unit only to find the orcs have a warg rider unit in the middle of the river. not floating, not on an island. literally below the surface of the lake. alive and kicking. i couldnt target said unit since it was superimplanted onto impassable terrain, causing me to lose the battle.

yet another awesome moment on TATW 3.2

and yet another game i have to cancel today. yay thats two in a row!

**Ngugi** · December 18, 2012, 10:35 PM

How can you lose if you beat every other unit and are the defender?

**Galain_Ironhide** · December 18, 2012, 10:52 PM

lost or quit is my guess. (no time limit I bet)

Are you just playing custom battles or are you actually doing a campaign?

**eugenioso** · December 18, 2012, 11:30 PM

@ngugi

"i beat every single orc unit, EXCEPT FOR THE ONE IN THE RIVER"

"i beat most orc units, EXCEPT FOR THE ONE IN THE RIVER"

-.-

@galain

no time limit, because that's for losers

and yes, campaign

**Ngugi** · December 18, 2012, 11:37 PM

Ehm, quote game here? Sure:
"i beat every single enemy unit only to find the orcs have a warg rider unit in the middle of the river. "

If you defend and time run out you win, so how you could lose still make no sense to me, since the wargs in the river neither can beat your army nor steal the plaza.

**Nastrael** · December 19, 2012, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by eugenioso

@ngugi

"i beat every single orc unit, EXCEPT FOR THE ONE IN THE RIVER"

"i beat most orc units, EXCEPT FOR THE ONE IN THE RIVER"

-.-

@galain

no time limit, because that's for losers

and yes, campaign

OMG EUGEN!!! is that you!?! this is munch from WC3

**Mikail Mengsk** · December 19, 2012, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by Ngugi

Ehm, quote game here? Sure:
"i beat every single enemy unit only to find the orcs have a warg rider unit in the middle of the river. "

If you defend and time run out you win, so how you could lose still make no sense to me, since the wargs in the river neither can beat your army nor steal the plaza.

Probably he didn't have time limit, so he would have to beat/rout every enemy unit. Seeing that it was impossible, he quit and lost the battle.

Anyway, some custom settlements, while being awesome to see, are a nightmare to play. Sometimes for a design issue, but most of the times it's because of AI's horrible pathfinding. I'd say you better avoid decisive battles there, because bugs can make you ragequit.

**Ngugi** · December 19, 2012, 04:22 AM

True, I read his "no time limit, because that's for losers" reversed by some reason. Presumably because I am of the directly opposit opinion, that if you need endless time to win you're not giving yourself a challenge hehe