Travaglio got buried as a liar and opportunist, Santoro as a Soviet trying to cover the truth. Berlusconi is a succesfull media mogul because he knows his **** better than everyone in Italy. End of the story.
I gave 3 ****ing votes to Grillo anyways. What a shameful day to be Italian.
5 Stelle's objective is to engage in radical state reforms from top to bottom, not to offer an alternative Tweedledee to the establishment parties' Tweedledum.
EDIT : Is it true that Grillo has the popular vote? If so, pretty scandalous that he came third...
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Looks like we won't have a government. Good news.
The markets and finance houses want Monti, The Eurozone mafia want Monti.
Mark my words the Italian people will be getting Monti one way or another.
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The Eurozone hoped for a Bersani victory with a Monti alliance, now Bersani has lost and Monti doesn't have the number to have any weight in parliament.If Monti forms a goverment it would only be for a new election law to be made and new elections to be held.
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He will remain a deciding factor in Italian politics (as opposition or as leader) as long as he is alive. Many underestimated him. They considered him done for because of a trivial corruption trial. As if anyone that votes for Silvio doesn't already know he's corrupt as rotten apple. They laughed at his 10% 2 months ago.
And he kicked them in the nuts. Again.
I still don't think he will make goverment, but he taught them that you don't play against Silvio. You let him be.
"When Berlusconi was forced out of office in November 2011, he was widely assumed to have joined the political dead. At 76, blamed for mismanaging the economy and disgraced by criminal allegations of sex with an underage prostitute, a comeback seemed impossible. But one thing has become axiomatic about Berlusconi in his 20 years at the center of Italian politics: Never count him out."
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Of course he won't make a goverment, the man lost 7 million of votes compared to 2008.
@yes but he will not have a majority there, no one will.
I'd be fairly ok with another round of elections.
What a shame!!! Berlusconi almost re-elected. I'm proud to be one of those 25% of still sane people that voted M5S
Result of elections
Senate, updated at 00:56 AM
Chamber of Deputies, updated at 00:56 AM
Hope not. He's just a disgrace for humanity. Anyway, center-left or center-right will not have a solid majority to rule the country. Winner will rule for no more than 8 months
Looks like his coalition is not first in any of the chambers, still his comeback in the electoral campaing and Grillo's exploit makes a PD/SEL or PD/SEL + Monti goverment impossible.At this point if a goverment will be formed it will be just for a new election law to be made and new elections to be held.
Only chance they have is to find a sort of agreement with the M5S of Grillo. But we already know the Grillo's points of view about eventual alliances. He wants to send them all home, so we'll have a period of ungovernability for quite long time.
"The cheapest form of pride however is national pride. For it reveals in the one thus afflicted the lack of individual qualities of which he could be proud, while he would not otherwise reach for what he shares with so many millions. He who possesses significant personal merits will rather recognise the defects of his own nation, as he has them constantly before his eyes, most clearly. But that poor blighter who has nothing in the world of which he can be proud, latches onto the last means of being proud, the nation to which he belongs to. Thus he recovers and is now in gratitude ready to defend with hands and feet all errors and follies which are its own."-- Arthur Schopenhauer