Gun Control Policy: and Assault rifle found in Phoenix shooters car

[MathiasOfAthens]

http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stori...otings-and-one

Shootings continue.

A 14-year-old boy was shot in the back of the neck at an Atlanta middle school Thursday but was alert and conscious when taken to a hospital and was expected to survive, officials said. The suspected shooter, also a student, was taken into custody by police. Atlanta Fire Capt. Marian McDaniel said a teacher also suffered minor cuts and bruises and was treated at the scene at Price Middle School. Atlanta police spokesman Carlos Campos said the shooting was not random but resulted from some confrontation between the two people involved.

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An off-duty resource office apprehended the suspect. The system worked. We have cops on campuses as resources officers. However, the system failed in stopping this kid from getting his hands on guns.

Police detectives were interviewing the victim in the hospital, his mother told WSB-TV. He knows the assailant, who the mother said was "talking smack" to her son between classes before pulling out a gun and firing, the station said.

The guy looks to be pretty old, maybe in 11th or 12th grade. Prob got the gun or guns from his parents, wont know until later...

As a standoff in Alabama entered its third day, a 5-year-old hostage was watching TV and getting medication sent from home while police talked through a ventilation pipe to the survivalist who kidnapped him from a school bus after shooting the driver to death. The two were holed up in an underground bunker with a floor space measuring only 6x8 feet, according to Police Chief James Arrington of Pinckard. "He will have to give up sooner or later because (authorities) are not leaving," he said. "It's pretty small, but he's been known to stay in there eight days." The gunman, identified by neighbors as Jimmy Lee Dykes, 65, was known as a menacing figure who once beat a dog to death with a lead pipe, threatened to shoot children who set foot on his property and patrolled his yard at night with a flashlight and shotgun.

Mesa Shooting and Military style rifle found:

A man found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound Thursday was believed to be the person who killed one man and wounded two other people in an office shooting in Phoenix the day before. A body matching the description of Arthur Douglas Harmon, 70, was found in a parking lot in Mesa a day after he was suspected of shooting three people at a mediation session Wednesday. Steve Singer, 48, was killed, while law firm employee Mark Hummels, 43, was left in critical condition and a 32-year-old woman was shot but sustained non-life-threatening

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[Rights of the Individual]

An assault rifle, hmm? He seems pretty young to have a Class 3 permit and $20,000 lying around for a fully automatic AR-15.

[Ciabhán]

Funny how no one mentions an assault rifle...

[s.rwitt]

Funny how every single instance of gun crime in the US seems to be all over the news now despite the fact that far more people are beaten or bludgeoned to death every year than shot. What a coincidence.

[Slaytaninc]

Funny how every single instance of gun crime in the US seems to be all over the news now despite the fact that far more people are beaten or bludgeoned to death every year than shot. What a coincidence.

Or that violence has been up since 2010, however when compared to the rest of the post-WW2 era, violence has been very low. There are more guns (absolute and per capita) in the US now than there were in the 60s and 70s when violence was highest. Coincidence? You be the judge.

[Raubritter]

How many people died on prescription drugs this week?

[Rights of the Individual]

Funny how no one mentions an assault rifle...

Look at the Title of the OP again and the link to the video being shown. They both attempt to pass the false representation that the bad guy possessed a fully automatic weapon.

[IZob]

Assault rifles: May as well use em while its legal. ha ha Sorry, that is a horrible joke and not at all funny, but it seems to be the growing trend in the US these days.

Edit: Actually neither sources mention an assault rifle. Please fix your post title it is critically misleading

[Pontifex Maximus]

Carver-Atlanta high is a pretty bad school. Links to gangs, etc. I believe this thread is slanted to the side of more gun control but once again what we fail to address time and time again (because, strangely, it seems most people forget to report on it which is just piss poor journalism) is how these people came to obtain guns in the first place. Gun laws aren't the problem. The blame lies with irresponsible parents, gangs, or poor police prevention of firearm robbery/trafficking more often than it does a person who obtained a gun legally going on shooting sprees.

[Ciabhán]

Look at the Title of the OP again and the link to the video being shown. They both attempt to pass the false representation that the bad guy possessed a fully automatic weapon.

Yes I know. That's my point. Nowhere in any of the news reports are assault rifles mentioned. Unless of course the word gun, as used in the news reports, now translates to assault rifle.

Edit: Actually neither of them mention an assault rifle. Please fix your post title

We noticed.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Yes I know. That's my point. Nowhere in any of the news reports are assault rifles mentioned. Unless of course the word gun, as used in the news reports, now translates to assault rifle.

Although apparently now any gun can count as an assault rifle as long as it looks scary enough.

[Trot]

Carver-Atlanta high is a pretty bad school. Links to gangs, etc. I believe this thread is slanted to the side of more gun control but once again what we fail to address time and time again (because, strangely, it seems most people forget to report on it which is just piss poor journalism) is how these people came to obtain guns in the first place. Gun laws aren't the problem. The blame lies with irresponsible parents, gangs, or poor police prevention of firearm robbery/trafficking more often than it does a person who obtained a gun legally going on shooting sprees.

I don't trust New networks any more. They try to do whatever it takes to get a "story" Even if it means lieing and completely ignoreing facts. Things like Texas is one stae with some of the losest gun laws and least violent crimes and the fact that shooters generally target places with tight gun control to maximize the amount of injurys they can inflict.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Illinois has very strict gun laws and it doesn't prevent 500 shootings per year in the state capitol. Chicago is constantly in the top cities for gun violence despite tight laws. There's no correlation between tight gun laws and lower gun crime. If there is, it would be news to me.

[Trot]

If you ask me 500 shooting in a population of some 2.7 million seems low to me.
Now here is the FBI's data on the subject of Murders in 2011.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...ables/table-20
Then compare that to a staes population and you can get murder rates.

[Pontifex Maximus]

I should have said shootings that result in death, so killings really.

[IZob]

Illinois has very strict gun laws and it doesn't prevent 500 shootings per year in the state capitol. Chicago is constantly in the top cities for gun violence despite tight laws. There's no correlation between tight gun laws and lower gun crime. If there is, it would be news to me.

New York has tougher gun laws and almost double the size in population then Illinois, yet still keeps a lower gun homicide rate.

Maybe its more cops, less guns, different cultures. But certainly cannot ignore the correlation between gun laws and gun homicides.

[Pontifex Maximus]

New York has tougher gun laws and almost double the size in population then Illinois, yet still keeps a lower gun homicide rate.

Maybe its more cops, less guns, different cultures. But certainly cannot ignore the correlation between gun laws and gun homicides.

Speaking more generally the south has fewer gun restrictions and less classified 'mass shootings' than anywhere else in the nation in the past twenty years. New York seems to be an anomaly in that regard. Clearly we need to consider other factors but even if we admit that it is obvious we can't simply jump to the conclusion that tighter guns laws will help prevent criminal gun violence no matter what. The sticking point here is that 2nd amendment and all other considerations aside, this is what the boneheads in DC are trying to sell to the American people. It is intellectually dishonest at best and just exposes them as being completely out of touch with the rest of us.

[cfmonkey45]

Speaking more generally the south has fewer gun restrictions and less classified 'mass shootings' than anywhere else in the nation in the past twenty years. New York seems to be an anomaly in that regard. Clearly we need to consider other factors but even if we admit that it is obvious we can't simply jump to the conclusion that tighter guns laws will help prevent criminal gun violence no matter what. The sticking point here is that 2nd amendment and all other considerations aside, this is what the boneheads in DC are trying to sell to the American people. It is intellectually dishonest at best and just exposes them as being completely out of touch with the rest of us.

There was Virginia Tech, and Colorado, which has very similar gun control laws to the South, has had two major shootings (Columbine and Aurora). Also Arizona, where the Congresswoman Gabriella Giffords got shot.

Also, the guns typically used in violent crimes in the Rust Belt are often smuggled from the South. Same with in Mexico, where Drug Cartels send people to buy guns at gun shows and smuggle them across the border for the Narco War.

I think that any attempt to ban all guns, or institute anti-assault rifle measures, will be doomed to failure, largely because guns are so varied and complicated. One could feasibly take a legal, semi-automatic AK-47 chassis, remove the semi-automatic parts with custom or illegal parts, and make it automatic. Further, there are cases where gun ownership has prevented rioting, such as in the 1992 LA Riots, where a group of Koreans placed a machine gun on their strip mall to ward off looters, or can be justified in self-defense (e.g. a repeat of Hurricane Katrina).

The problem is that due to the existing loopholes and lack of background checks, as well as non-enforcement, or unequal enforcement of laws, most of the benefits of gun control (e.g. less crime and death) erode away, while all of the drawbacks remain (criminal ownership remains high).

[Trot]

Speaking more generally the south has fewer gun restrictions and less classified 'mass shootings' than anywhere else in the nation in the past twenty years. New York seems to be an anomaly in that regard. Clearly we need to consider other factors but even if we admit that it is obvious we can't simply jump to the conclusion that tighter guns laws will help prevent criminal gun violence no matter what. The sticking point here is that 2nd amendment and all other considerations aside, this is what the boneheads in DC are trying to sell to the American people. It is intellectually dishonest at best and just exposes them as being completely out of touch with the rest of us.

All true the worst part is the media seems to ake whatever b.s. the goverment says as complete fact with no research accept extreamly partisain "surveys" made with scewed data And poor sample groups.

[Trot]

There was Virginia Tech, and Colorado, which has very similar gun control laws to the South, has had two major shootings (Columbine and Aurora). Also Arizona, where the Congresswoman Gabriella Giffords got shot.

Also, the guns typically used in violent crimes in the Rust Belt are often smuggled from the South. Same with in Mexico, where Drug Cartels send people to buy guns at gun shows and smuggle them across the border for the Narco War.

I think that any attempt to ban all guns, or institute anti-assault rifle measures, will be doomed to failure, largely because guns are so varied and complicated. One could feasibly take a legal, semi-automatic AK-47 chassis, remove the semi-automatic parts with custom or illegal parts, and make it automatic. Further, there are cases where gun ownership has prevented rioting, such as in the 1992 LA Riots, where a group of Koreans placed a machine gun on their strip mall to ward off looters, or can be justified in self-defense (e.g. a repeat of Hurricane Katrina).

The problem is that due to the existing loopholes and lack of background checks, as well as non-enforcement, or unequal enforcement of laws, most of the benefits of gun control (e.g. less crime and death) erode away, while all of the drawbacks remain (criminal ownership remains high).

Yes check out this video. Biden basicly admits then tighter gun control will do nothing.