Wonders in japan?

[palissa]

Hey, you all super big fan of japan things, you can think to 7 wonders for japan in mod timeframe?
SOmething like Imeprial palace, mount fuji, sacred shrine to some god, and so on?
Make a list, produce pictures, and yo ucan see in game
Bye

[Saxondreamer]

Mount Fuji (a wonder???)

[Taneda Santôka]

What about the Nikko barocco temple complexe with ieyasu's maussoleum( 16-17c), miyajima sanctuary near Hiroshima (gotta check dates), Old capital Nara, Golden temple of Kyoto, maybe something more like Fuji "sanctuary" or pilgrimage? I guess it was already in "fashion",, but its maybe later thanks to hiroshige and hokusai, that it really got immortalised, but however I guess it retained the asian "mountainish" sacrality ( its an exterior space, that of the gods descending during the monsoon...) isnt there a very very great dojo somewhere? canrt remember... will these "wonders" have stupid effects or just for mood??(maybe theyr possecor could get some loyalty bonuses, thats it.)

[Osceola]

No, Ieyasu's Mausoleum obviously wouldnt work for a game starting 100 years before his time.

[Taneda Santôka]

its part of the nikko complex, not its origin

[Taneda Santôka]

There's also the silver pavillon, temple after being residence of the ashikaga ( at least yoshimasa) again in kyôto (wich as even more wonders, one of the reasons , with topography, for wich it wasnt targeted by abomb...) kyôto as such should be a wonder, joined or not to nara, depending on the map. There's also Uji with the Amida Nyorai and Hôôdo of the Byôdô-in and lets not forget the sopporo beer factory in hoikkaidô!!

[Taneda Santôka]

i've got to dig in old stuff, since I dont remeber the dates/place, but there was a order of very sought after blind monks/monastery, advisors of rulers, and even, if im correct, a certain number of blind rulers... the blind had great reputation/respect - Zato Ichi didnt come out of nowhere!(ironnic in japan's visual culture today...) If someone has information?! I've got to find that 90's netherland documentary.

[palissa]

Ah, good, this is what i need
WHy yo udont make a list of 7 of them?
And yes, every wonder would have some effect, i think. Commercial or on population growth, or whatever kagemusha can come out with his files
Of course is better if wonders are a bit distant and not all in same province, you can understand it.
And can even be less than 7 (7 is maximum number anyway hardcoded).
Keep on the researches

[Kagemusha]

I really havent decided yet the fate of wonders so i think that this would be a good thing to ask of the fans.Do you guys want to have Wonders in a mod that is aiming for historicall accuracy?

[Shos]

Personally, I would like to think that the famous sites such as the Kinkakuji, Gingakuji temple, the sinking Torii in Itsukujima, or Toudaiji temple did NOT have any significant economical or strategic advantage. Well, if you think about the Colossus of Rhodes giving you an enormous trade bonus, that is.
What I want to see in the game is that the wonders are actually there and are obtainable, but do not give any bonus.... They'll be just eyecandies, but that's far more realistic than making them give you all those nonsense bonus stuff.

[TomteOfDoom]

I agree with Chos here, maybe they could be reserved for giving characters governing the provinces in which they are located some flavour traits and stuff like that, I don't know. But the effects should not have a notable impact on the actual game, it just seems unreasonable to me.

Having them there to provide atmosphere is good enough for me, thats such an important part of the game that it makes them well justified to invest some hours of work into them.

[Taneda Santôka]

Everybody's agreeing on that one, I never wanted any bonus', maybe just some population loyalty for the fame ( one could propbably produce UNloyalty to enemies...); I dont think the hanging gardens ever raised the agricultural output of the empire possessing them ( especially if it ranged from gaul to india...) ; maybe its builders had special hydro technologies, but not its possessor. I was just pointing at some famous and not out of sequnce japanese buildings/places - for atmosphere and reputation mostly!

[MCM]

Well,
to be honest, I cant really see any 'wonders' here in the game, especially if you are going for realism. Kyoto obviously has its benefits due to the Emperor, but Japan was so regionalised before the unifaction initiated by Nobunaga/Hideyoshi/Tokugawa, there are really no other benefits other than economic

just my six cents worth

[TomteOfDoom]

MarcusCorneliusMarcellus:

Indeed. That doesn't mean we can't use these game-functions to decorate the campaign-map. :wink:

[palissa]

Yeah, so seeing so much majority for decorating, let start decorate
What about somebody find the pictures of this wonders so i can make a small modelling?
Thank you
ANd maybe tomte in all his artwork has some paint that can be used as reference
Bye

[Soccer1993]

how about this:

EDIT:AH! sorry for the humongous pic. ill go resize it...

the Buddhist Statue in Kamakura.

[Taneda Santôka]

its part of the nikko complex, not its origin

Well, its the origin of the complexe we know, but before that, it was already a center of religious devotion in Kanto; tha construction of the whole thing did begin in 1617 though.

[MCM]

ok- some ideas for you. I thought about thie for a week, adn came down with religious centers, as their support was essential for many local rulers

1.the Hachiman shrine in Kamakura- it was the main shrine of the first shogun, Minamoto Yoritomo

2. Miyajima shrine- on one of the islands in the Seto Inland Sea, and major power center for the Mori

3. Suwa shrine, next to Suwa lake in the heart of Shinano (now Nagano) home to the Taiko drummers, and major religious heart of the Takeda clan. The Suwa shrine is one of the most famous samurai shrines in Japan

3. Mt Heian- intact or burned to the ground- up to you

4. In Kyoto- Kiyomizudera Temple, home to one brand of warrior monks. possessing three sacred streams of water that are suposed to bring luck, long life and happiness if drank

thats all for now- if you need pics and links let me know. I have japanese sources as well

[Shos]

ok- some ideas for you. I thought about thie for a week, adn came down with religious centers, as their support was essential for many local rulers

Good stuff! I was thinking about possible wonders as well. The only problem I see is that the number of wonders is hardcoded, and that you can't have any more or less than 7 wonders. well, it's not that I want more than 7 wonders, but actually less.... I don't see much "wonders" in Japan, but historically important sites.

This is what I have in mind so far:

Kyouto Gosho
The imperial palace in Kyoto.

Toudaiji
Famous for the huge Buddha inside the temple; destroyed once by Matsunaga Hisahide during the Sengoku period.

Houryuuji
Famous for being the oldest surviving wooden-built temple; no significant connection with the Sengoku period.

Tsuruoka Hachimanguu
A temple for Hachiman, Minamoto clan's guardian god; the place where Nagato Kagetora succeeded the Uesugi clan.

Itskujima Jinja
Famous for the floating Torii; where the Battle of Itsukujima took place in 1555.

Rinnouji
A buddhist temple in Nikkou that dates back to as early as 900's; one of the few temples that owned an enormous amount of land from the Muromachi period.

Dazaifu Tenmanguu
Said to have been built upon Sugawarano Michizane's burial site; no significant connection with the Sengoku period, but this is the only "wonder" (i.e. building) I could find in Kyusyu. I wanted to see at least one eye candy in Kyushu!


I'm trying to include sites that more or less had something do with the Sengoku period, but that's not working perfectly.

Oh yes, another problem -- you can't have a lot of wonders in Kyoto, because the province of Yamashiro is so small and there can be only one wonder per province! :laughing:

[Taneda Santôka]

The list looks very good! Better than my Fuji and anachonical (slightly) Nikko suggestions!
Itskujima = Miyajima. (no?) And Suwa shrine sounds good to!