[Submod]Jizya, Kafirs & Dhimmis; v2Released

**hameem123** · July 07, 2013, 12:37 AM

please add Shia to the Jizya and remove Jizya feature for the Shia factions,that is the reality the Shia are not considered Muslims during those times (even until today).

**Byzantineboy** · July 07, 2013, 04:52 AM

@Hameem, what you are asking is totally historically irrelevant. Shia didn't paid Jizya, even under sunni rule, and shia rulers expected from jews, zoro, or christian to pay Jizya (like in Iran under Safavid rule).
(and you might disconsidered shia as muslim, this is your own right, and you might have your personnal reason, but they can claim shahada and they also perform zakât, they considered themselves as muslims...)

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I have finished yet.
The folder is ready.
It should be uploaded tomorrow =D

**hameem123** · July 07, 2013, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Byzantineboy

@Hameem, what you are asking is totally historically irrelevant. Shia didn't paid Jizya, even under sunni rule, and shia rulers expected from jews, zoro, or christian to pay Jizya (like in Iran under Safavid rule).
(and you might disconsidered shia as muslim, this is your own right, and you might have your personnal reason, but they can claim shahada and they also perform zakât, they considered themselves as muslims...)

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I have finished yet.
The folder is ready.
It should be uploaded tomorrow =D

we all have our own opinions

**wudang_clown** · July 07, 2013, 07:50 PM

BC team considers Shia a branch of Islam, just as we consider Luteranism, Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity as branches of Christianity. Period.

**Julio85** · July 08, 2013, 09:27 AM

I Can't Wait for play with!

**Byzantineboy** · July 08, 2013, 10:15 AM

Sorry guys, some little things wrong during testing and some missing UI.
I prefer to be sure there will be any bug or missings in the folder I will upload.

But texts are Ok, it should not take a long time now.
My internet connexion is too slow for uploading from home.
So I will put all the folder and some preview maybe tomorrow (edited)

**zburanuki** · July 09, 2013, 02:47 AM

Where is the submod update? To return on topic

**Aragorn1963** · July 09, 2013, 07:05 AM

Great job, Byzantine boy! Rep for you.

**atheniandp** · July 09, 2013, 12:43 PM

Excellent work, Byzantineboy. But it seems you replaced so much of the accurate historical city/region work that I did with the Anglicized names...

**Byzantineboy** · July 09, 2013, 01:04 PM

Thank you, atheniandp

Yes, it depends to the faction owner, so the name of the city is still called Constantinople in the imperial_settlement_descr_names , but Konstantinoupolis when occuped by ERE, Konstantinyye by turks, and Constantinopolis by Koj, Kostadnopolis when occuped by armenia etc...

There are a lot of improvement to do, because this is only the first step of a gigantic work i am unable to do alone (i have not given turkish/farsi/hindi and arabic names to cities in middle east) and it should be then implemented in 2.4.

**hameem123** · July 10, 2013, 05:42 PM

next time please note us if you are going to remove some comments like mine,no hard feelings.

**wudang_clown** · July 10, 2013, 06:29 PM

Ok.

**jermagon** · July 10, 2013, 06:32 PM

I am a pious Sunni Muslim and Shia Muslims are Muslims and part of the Muslim community, Categorizing Shia as Non-Muslims is ridiculous, They believe in the same god and believe in Prophet Muhammad as the last Messenger and Believe in Qur'an, for sure theres a great difference when between Shia and Sunni Muslims when it comes to their view to The Sahaba and the 1st Muslim civil war, but considering them a non-Muslim is a big Mistake .

**Aragorn1963** · July 10, 2013, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by jermagon

I am a pious Sunni Muslim and Shia Muslims are Muslims and part of the Muslim community, Categorizing Shia as Non-Muslims is ridiculous, They believe in the same god and believe in Prophet Muhammad as the last Messenger and Believe in Qur'an, for sure theres a great difference when between Shia and Sunni Muslims when it comes to their view to The Sahaba and the 1st Muslim civil war, but considering them a non-Muslim is a big Mistake .

I agree. And taking that guy serious is also a big mistake. If he wants a religious discussion he can go to one of his other favorite websites.

**jermagon** · July 11, 2013, 01:29 AM

@Byzantineboy my brother, you have done a great job, Thanks to you I play BC as I am playing it for the 1st time, and hope this won't be the end of it

**Byzantineboy** · July 11, 2013, 02:31 AM

Thank you Jermagon

By the way, can you ensure me that my submod version n°2 works with your files?

I have made several tests and all was working fine, i really don't understand what happens now....

**jermagon** · July 12, 2013, 11:30 PM

Hey Byzantine

I really enjoyed the mod and it works perfect for me so far

I am a byzantine fan -same like you- and we really need to improve the Byzantine faction, regarding the names and the armies they are perfect, I dare to say BC byzantine roster is the best

so I suggest to work on the 2D art for the evens, and our main reference could be the Alexander manuscript, it's 14th century manuscript about he the wars of Alexander the great,however both Alexander and his army were depicted wearing Byzantine customs

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