German States -Information & Discussion

[wangrin]

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Lead Developers

agunter999 Quintus Hortensius Hortalus wangrin

General Information

Germany was composed of a vast number of small states, from city states to electorate or duchy.
It is not possible to represent all of them, due to game limitations, but it is possible to try to represent this diversity.

The German States factions will be :

• Bavaria (Details)
• Württemberg (Details)
• Hessen (Details)
• Hannover (Details)
• Saxony (Details)

EMPIRE Map showing the FACTIONS

To represent the diversity of German States, it is possible to use a special military organizations : Holy Roman Empire circles, also called Reichkreise.
Each German States unit rosters will be composed of :

• a "national" (faction) units roster
• a Reichkreiss units roster tied to an AoR (Area of Recruitment)
• a smaller (but significative) German States units roster *

* only if possible, we cannot add too many units due to graphic interface limitations (recruitment queue).

REICHKREISE

Historical Map of 18th Century Germany

1. I.S Bavaria faction will be composed of :
   
   • Bavarian circle (Bayerischer Kreis)
   
   
2. I.S Württemberg faction will be composed of :
   
   • Swabian circle (Schwäbischer Kreis)
   
   
3. I.S Hessen faction will be composed of :
   
   • Westphalian circle (Westfälischer Kreis)
   • Electoral Rhenish circle (Kurrheinische Kreis)
   • Upper-Rhenish circle (Oberrheinischer Kreis)
   • Franconian circle (Fränkischer Kreis)
   
   
4. I.S Hannover faction will be composed of :
   
   • Lower Saxon circle (Niedersächsischer Kreis)
   
   

Notes:
First problem, Hessen roster is probably overpowered due to the extra units from the 3 Reichkreise.
Franconian circle could probably be added to Württemberg or Bavaria instead of Hessen to try to balance those factions.

[wangrin]

BAVARIA

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I.S Bavaria faction will be composed of :
Bavarian circle (Bayerischer Kreis)

Unit List

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Building Chain

Building Chain

Technology Tree

Technology Tree

Graphics Development

Graphics Development

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WURTTEMBERG

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I.S Württemberg faction will be composed of :
Swabian circle (Schwäbischer Kreis)

Unit List

Building Chain

Building Chain

Technology Tree

Technology Tree

Graphics Development

Graphics Development

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HESSEN

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I.S Hessen faction will be composed of :
Westphalian circle (Westfälischer Kreis)
Electoral Rhenish circle (Kurrheinische Kreis)
Upper-Rhenish circle (Oberrheinischer Kreis)
Franconian circle (Fränkischer Kreis)

Unit List

To be placed here

Building Chain

Building Chain

Technology Tree

Technology Tree

Graphics Development

Graphics Development

[wangrin]

HANNOVER

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I.S Hannover faction will be composed of :
Lower Saxon circle (Niedersächsischer Kreis)

Late era faction description:

The elector George III has not visited the homeland of his father prince Frederic and grandfather George II. In fact Hannover is ruled by London and its privy council at home. Because of that split the ruling noble families dominate the politics in Hannover.
Hannovers economy is based on agriculture and the tariffs of the trade routes passing through the Hanoverian lands on its excellent streets and rivers such as the Elbe.

Furthermore the newly founded university by George II has become one of the intellectual centres in Germany. It attracted intellectual as Lichtenberg, Pütter or Kästner.

But do not underestimate the strength of the Hanoverian army. At the end of the Seven Years War Hannover fielded an army of around 50.000 soldiers.
Today, the cavalry rides well bred horses and has a high level of training as well as the artillery and infantry. The training is even provided by the officers and not the NCO’s as in other factions.
How well the Hanoverian can fight they have shown recently in Gibraltar under Elliott and in India. In addition brilliant young officers such as Scharnhorst or Charles von Alten are the future of the Hanoverian army if you are willing to replace the old officer corps.

So you have to decide: shall you take the risk and leading Hannover to independence from Great Britain or will you stay loyal and may be dragged into the next war for Britain’s glory while staying under Britannia's protection?

Unit List

Building Chain

Building Chain

Technology Tree

Technology Tree

Graphics Development

EARLY XVIIIth CENTURY : HANNOVER UNIFORMSt INFANTRY : CAVALRY : ARTILLERY : Graphics

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SAXONY

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Late era faction description by Cro_Hunger999:

The old and paternalistic Holy Roman Empire is torn by the rivalry between the Habsburgs and the Hohenzollerns, and they will try to unite the German Empire and bring it under their hegemonies. Austria and Prussia are not likely to let another Polish-Saxon union happen and any ties with the Polish kingdom threaten Saxony's sovereignty so keeping a balance is essential. Although you are in an alliance with Prussia, having a decent standing army would prove useful, not to mention the danger of another war with the Habsburgs. Crisis in Europe and France's inability to take any action have only encouraged Joseph II in his ambitions. Try allying yourself with protestant states like Hanover and Hesse-Kassel first, Bavaria is more probable to go in an alliance with Austria. Forming alliances with other German states is indispensable and should be your primary strategy.

Catherine the Great's influence in the HRE is considerable so flattering the Russian Tsarina might have its conveniences and help preserve Saxony's independence.

The Electorate's power does not lie in size and military strength but in diplomacy. With the advantage of being an intermediary, you will have the opportunity to build your economy. Maintaining trade with other German states and picking the right ministers will bring prosperity. You still have resources collected after the Treaty of Teschen which ended the War of the Bavarian Succession, and how you invest those funds will determine Saxony's status.

Do not forget to pay attention to the risings in France, it is hard to tell what will come out of it but one thing is for certain: Europe is not ready for changes and any revolution coming from France will immediately be opposed by all other European monarchies and will bring them in a closeness never seen before.

I.S Saxony faction will be composed of :
TBD

Unit List

To be placed here

Building Chain

Building Chain

Technology Tree

Technology Tree

Graphics Development

Graphics Development

[Don504]

Good thinking, I like the idea

[Quintus Hortensius Hortalus]

HANNOVER

HISTORY

UNITS ROSTER

BUILDING CHAINS

TECHNOLOGY TREES

Hey, this roster is already looking good
Can you send me the original file, than I could fill some gaps.

Do you want to have my technology trees and the bruinswick building chain?

[agunter999]

I have to say
Thank you for representing these smaller states the one not in etw thank you

[Quintus Hortensius Hortalus]

Here is proposal for the hanoverian units so far:
Attachment 250851

[wangrin]

This roster look good.
Nice work

[agunter999]

Yes definitely
A couple of these may help
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...php?p=12072473

As a suggestion you could make Brandenburg an emergent

[ErikBerg]

Nice, shouldn't "Braunschweigishche" be "Braunschweigische", though?

[Quintus Hortensius Hortalus]

Yes I haven't corrected this yet. I'm work right now only on the hanoverian units. For the bruinswick unit I've to do some more research.

[agunter999]

This help?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Herr Doctor]

A very good source for the middles period's Hessians:
http://www.vondonop.org/hkuniforms.html

[wangrin]

If they didn't change theirs uniforms between SYW and AWI, yes.

But in I.S :

• early = War of Spanish Succession
• middle = Seven Years' War
• late = French Revolutionary Wars

AWI is between middle and late rosters.

[agunter999]

For Hanover you might want to include Oldenburg and east friesa

[wangrin]

Hanover will have acces to :

• Hanover units (cqfd)
• Brunswick units
• Niedersächsischer Kreis units (Maybe, because I have no information about)

That's all.

If we add more units from smaller German States, this will overpowered Hanover and the recruitment list will be difficult to use (too much unit cards).

[agunter999]

Oldenburg and east friesa are in the lower Saxon circle