Scottish Independence Referendum is agreed: vote in 2014

[_Tartaros_]

hopefully scotland can get back it´s free-banking system like in centuries ago. this would be way more eruptive than the split off the uk.

[Slaytaninc]

Doesn't England alone have about 10x the population of Scotland? Is Scotland really that important to the results of British elections?

It's hilarious that the Scottish don't want their lives completely controlled by the very Parliament that provides funds that subsidize Scotland in the first place.

OTOH, I think Salmond associates people supporting the SNP due to reasons not relating to Independence, with support for Independence, and I'd love to see it blown back in his pompous face.

[Aymer de Valence]

The whole of the United Kingdom should be given the chance to vote, this does NOT exclusively affect Scotland. As an Englishman, I would vote for their independence. We have enough freeloaders in this country without having a whole lot more up there (of which there are MANY http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-pay-tax.html).

Scottish independence should mean JUST that. They can go ahead and pay for their OWN tuition fees, their OWN healthcare and prescriptions. It's high time that Hadrians Wall was renovated to keep them independent aswell; there's no crawling back once the going gets hard Scotland! Which it predictably will.....

[Heathen Hammer]

It would be interesting to see free independent Scotland for the first time in centuries. Seems to me, thou, that Scottish independence issue will be used a political leverage just like issue of Quebec's separation in Canada a few decades back.

[Gatsby]

It would be interesting to see free independent Scotland for the first time in centuries. Seems to me, thou, that Scottish independence issue will be used a political leverage just like issue of Quebec's separation in Canada a few decades back.

Scotland is free, we get as much representation as anyone else in the Commons, and we also get our own devolved parliament.

People watching too much Braveheart methinks.

[JP226]

Praise be to Mel Gibson, who knew after all the English and British Redcoats he's slain, he might finally have forced the British tyranny back within their borders after how many centuries? This is wonderful! The cold dark stain of English Imperialism began when they crossed Hadrian's Wall, let's finally see humanity finish this oh so sad chapter of human history. Begone with you heathens!

[Gatsby]

Praise be to Mel Gibson, who knew after all the English and British Redcoats he's slain, he might finally have forced the British tyranny back within their borders after how many centuries? This is wonderful! The cold dark stain of English Imperialism began when they crossed Hadrian's Wall, let's finally see humanity finish this oh so sad chapter of human history. Begone with you heathens!

I'm insulted that you would consider Hadrian's wall as our southern border, I was hoping to base it on the River Trent, or the Thames... or the Channel.

[Jack04]

Yes they will, as you'll find most Scots really don't care that much about independence, they care about the fact that they've been governed by an incompetent political class in the South with a completely different outlook to reality. You get the same impression in the north of England too...

I'd have agreed with you had there been two questions. I imagine most Scots would quite like to take away power from Westminster (and give Cameron a bloody nose in the process) but not at the expense of complete separation. From where I'm sitting, Cameron has pretty much won the debate already by insisting on just the one question.

[JP226]

I'm insulted that you would consider Hadrian's wall as our southern border, I was hoping to base it on the River Trent, or the Thames... or the Channel.

The Scots are wildlings, so a wall seems appropriate.

[Squiggle]

I suppose one upside to Scottish independence is that England will virtually always elect center right Governments. IIRC if you only count England, they didnt elect a labour Government until Tony blair.

[Gatsby]

The Scots are wildlings, so a wall seems appropriate.

We will leap over that silly wall, as our proud, free (and gloriously hairy) Scottish legs are not restricted by your oppressive notions of "trousers" or "underwear".

[Danny_K_1]

I'd have agreed with you had there been two questions. I imagine most Scots would quite like to take away power from Westminster (and give Cameron a bloody nose in the process) but not at the expense of complete separation. From where I'm sitting, Cameron has pretty much won the debate already by insisting on just the one question.

I know I'd have voted Devo max if it was on the paper but I imagine like many I'll be voting "No" now.

[Vítor Gaspar]

For the sake of Spain and the Iberian Peninsula, no.

This marks such a dangerous precedent that I can't even think of the consequences this might have in Europe.

But the people are sovereign, so let them choose.

[Shneckie]

Has Salmond not died of a heart attack yet?

[Father Jack]

he does looks like someone who has a diet of Buckfast and deep fried Mars bars.

[Lord Baratheon]

For the sake of Spain and the Iberian Peninsula, no.

This marks such a dangerous precedent that I can't even think of the consequences this might have in Europe.

Now you see it dont you.The E.U wants the break of of these nations into smaller units so as to absorb into its federation little dependant(economically)nations.The E.U has long desired the break up of the U.K and would do the same to Spain given half the chance.

Has Salmond not died of a heart attack yet?

I hope this is a joke.

[Kaiser Leonidas]

The E.U has long desired the break up of the U.K and would do the same to Spain given half the chance.

Any source for this claim?

And I like how the vast majority of people who are voted that Scotland should get independence are from outside the UK.

[removeduser_487563287433]

I suppose one upside to Scottish independence is that England will virtually always elect center right Governments. IIRC if you only count England, they didnt elect a labour Government until Tony blair.

Pretty ignorant. Nobody lives in Scotland. The heartland is the North.

[Lord Baratheon]

Any source for this claim?

I was waiting on this.Now you have asked I shall give.I do not offer conclusive evidence,because naturally, its not going to be officially written down,but it is evident in what the E.U does and how it behaves.

As for a source I can Quote you the now famous line from German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer speaking to French PM Guy Mollet. ‘France and England will never be powers comparable to the United States and the Soviet Union. Nor Germany, either. There remains to them only one way of playing a decisive role in the world, that is to unite to make Europe. England is not ripe for it but the affair of Suez will help to prepare her spirits for it. We have no time to waste. Europe will be your revenge.’

Now for a more theoretical argument.Think of an independant Scotland.Thirty years ago could such a thing exist?Not without the E.U it could not.The E.U would pour vast amounts of money into Scotland like they did in Ireland,and remember what happened there.Scotland would,like Ireland become a province of the Brussels Empire,totally dependant on The E.U and totally under its rule of Law.

Is it no wonder the vast Euro-bureaucracy has a Commissioner for the regional policy.Why do you think we always hear this phrase 'Europe of the Regions'?Why do you think the European Flag flies equally alongside the Union Flag outside the Scottish Parliament?I will tell you why,because the E.U must dismember Nations that have a shared History and culture in order to fit them into this failure of a project.Any continental power throughout history has always tried to divide England and Scotland in order to weaken the United Kingdom.This is basic British history.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottis...Change_of_name

Now, Scotland is one of my top 5 favorite Nations and Scotland having its own Parliament was a rational idea.It is a proud nation with its own unique Culture.That said however so is Britain and the Union works.And just because I like it so much here is:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nBt8Ahb48w

[Yoda Twin]

For the sake of Spain and the Iberian Peninsula, no.

This marks such a dangerous precedent that I can't even think of the consequences this might have in Europe.

But the people are sovereign, so let them choose.

Are they? That's quite a bold statement considering Westminster has been the text book example of a sovereign parliament for quite some time now.