Scottish Independence Referendum is agreed: vote in 2014

[The Great Montrose]

Monarchy at the start, I believe the stance was changed to this to attract royalists, the SNP is a mix with angus mcneil a royalist and others more hardline republicans, I see us having a vote on this within ten years if we become independent.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Monarchy at the start, I believe the stance was changed to this to attract royalists, the SNP is a mix with angus mcneil a royalist and others more hardline republicans, I see us having a vote on this within ten years if we become independent.

Are you openly saying the SNP campaign is one of willful deception?

[The Great Montrose]

No I'm saying that positions can change, the snp have royalists within their ranks, they must have won the argument over the monarchy and therefore the SNP's position is to keep the monarchy.
Must you twist everything into attacking the SNP?

[caratacus]

Seemingly having draped himself in the Union Jack for most of victories and been silent about his opinion on the referendum, Andy Murray has publicly declared his support for the independence campaign. In what appears to be an eleventh hour publicity stunt to sway voters.


Personally I won't believe it until I know what his mummy thinks

[ShockBlast]

It seems strange to me if Scotland votes for independence, only to surrender it's sovreignty to the EU at the first opportunity.

It`s a hint as big as Scotland itself, EU sucks less than UK.

[Almogaver]

Catalan? I'm pretty sure you'll eventually get the chance mate, the question being wouldn't a fairer and more encompassing Spanish state be a better model than Independence? Or am i projecting here...

We've stopped wishing and pushing for such a deal for over 30 years now. Spain is the only nation and we are just a region they say... Independence is the only way out. But I don't want to hijack the thread.



Why does this counting thing take so long? I mean, it's just yes and no votes you have to count! If I am nervous already I can't imagine what you guys will have to go through during a whole night.

[Dante Von Hespburg]

Must you twist everything into attacking the SNP?

Let's face it, the SNP do make it so easy Andy ...like ridiculously so, as i was talking with Inex about, i'd be worried that they'll form the first government of an IScotland (Claiming all the credit- and riding the waves of a yes victory into office) as their plans are still built on sand.

Though anyway good luck to you mate, it will indeed be close either. We'll see how we come out the other side. It'll be interesting, and either way luckily there will be change.

Why does this counting thing take so long? I mean, it's just yes and no votes you have to count! If I am nervous already I can't imagine what you guys will have to go through during a whole night.

I believe it's due to the care that has to be taken, and all the security in place/ all the protocols- the one thing we cannot have is any wiff of it being unfair or rigged in either way.

As to how to survive tonight- I believe we're all going (at least i am here with my fellow No and indeed Yes friends) to get royally drunk, waking up sometime mid-afternoon tommorow...

It'll be a nice surprise that way.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Seemingly having draped himself in the Union Jack for most of victories and been silent about his opinion on the referendum, Andy Murray has publicly declared his support for the independence campaign. In what appears to be an eleventh hour publicity stunt to sway voters.


Personally I won't believe it until I know what his mummy thinks

Come on, Tim.

[Incontinenta Buttox]

if I were English I'd be ardently pro-Yes because I'd be ing sick of Scotland by now. The amount of anti-English sentiment, the constant claims that 'England holds us back' 'England steals our resources' 'England imposes their will on us' is the kind of petty, opportunist nationalism we should've grown out of in the 1940s. Were I English I'd be urging the Scots to go it alone just so I could laugh at them when it all comes crashing down.

I think you have a good point. I and many of the people I talk to do feel this way. As an Englishman I have watched from the sidelines as my country has been traduced and insulted throughout the referendum debate. I do not think for a minute that England will tolerate the Scots being given devo-max while maintaining the status quo regarding the west Lothian question.

I think there is a stong undercurrent of goodbye and good riddance welling up in England.

[Niles Crane]

We've stopped wishing and pushing for such a deal for over 30 years now. Spain is the only nation and we are just a region they say... Independence is the only way out. But I don't want to hijack the thread.



Why does this counting thing take so long? I mean, it's just yes and no votes you have to count! If I am nervous already I can't imagine what you guys will have to go through during a whole night.

I'm regularly involved in counting votes for elections in my own country. Even if you've got 10 people together, it still takes a hell of a long time to count and sort let's say 3000 votes. Then I believe they're double checked by the returning office just to make sure we got the figures exactly right. The whole process takes at least 5 or 6 hours, often up to 8.

[Dante Von Hespburg]

I think you have a good point. I and many of the people I talk to do feel this way. As an Englishman I have watched from the sidelines as my country has been traduced and insulted throughout the referendum debate. I do not think for a minute that England will tolerate the Scots being given devo-max while maintaining the status quo regarding the west Lothian question.

I think there is a stong undercurrent of goodbye and good riddance welling up in England.

Devo-Max for Scotland and England would be the most efficient solution- Along with the Core Cities campaigning now for great independence for Westminster, i rather feel that England needs to unite a bit more (Instead of London and the Core Cities going for their own powers- push for an English Parliament? Though i guess it's a matter of interests).

Cameron proposes to solve the issue merely by having Scottish MP's not vote on English-only issues- not the best solution long term, but it's something.

[The Great Montrose]

Thank God the votes not on a Saturday otherwise we would have had to wait until Monday for the result due to the western isles refusal to count on a sunday like the EU elections.

[caratacus]

Come on, Tim.

That has to be Tim Henman's epitaph

[Azog 150]

Got to say I'm really quite nervous at the moment, and feeling particularly helpless.

[Incontinenta Buttox]

Which probably won't even change with Scottish freedom.

Freedom? In what was is Scotland oppressed?

[Stavroforos]

Freedom? In what was is Scotland oppressed?

Why should Londoners rule Scotlanders and their own from some flowery seat in the South? What do they know of Hadrian's Wall, the Cuillin Hills? Even their church is wrong! Why shouldn't they rule themselves again? It was the Stuarts they bowed to, and now the Stuarts are dead. There sits the only king Scotland means to bend its knee to...



...the King in the North!

[Geronimo2006]

Handing over all that oil to England smacks of colonial vassalage of which Edward Balliol would be proud. Scotland is a net contributor to the UK Exchequer.

I like many Irish have family ties to England and have no problems with the English (quite the contrary). I don't think it's anti-English to want to keep your own resources for your own benefit first and foremost.

[Roma_Victrix]

Why should Londoners rule Scotlanders and their own from some flowery seat in the South? What do they know of Hadrian's Wall, the Cuillin Hills? Even their church is wrong! Why shouldn't they rule themselves again? It was the Stuarts they bowed to, and now the Stuarts are dead. There sits the only king Scotland means to bend its knee to...



...the King in the North!

HAHAHA! Damn that was good, Stav. You should win some sort of award for drawing that comparison. Perfect.

[Gatsby]

Handing over all that oil to England smacks of colonial vassalage of which Edward Balliol would be proud. Scotland is a net contributor to the UK Exchequer.

I like many Irish have family ties to England and have no problems with the English (quite the contrary). I don't think it's anti-English to want to keep your own resources for your own benefit first and foremost.

I agree, and because I want to be able to use my intellectual and financial resources to best benefit myself I'm voting to stay in the union and keep my future professional options open; and to save myself from the economic whims of the massive wannabe-socialist part of our electorate who won't think twice about sucking the middle class dry to spend on whatever nebulous social reforms they can cook up.

You see the most shocking thing I've learnt in the last few weeks is this: most Yes voters genuinely think the government can end poverty.

As a lifelong lefty and believer in social justice, that is ing terrifying.

[Sar1n]

If this goes through, what will happen to Union Jack? I've read that few proposals are on board...aesthetically best was, IMO, replacing the Scottish part with St.David's flag-only change would be changing the blue to black. Merging with Welsh flag looks weird, bottom half greeen top white....