PunitorMaximus' Russo-Turkish War of 1877/78 Mod

**Miralem** · October 24, 2012, 11:00 AM

Well, the Montenegrins only used Line Infantry between 1804 and 1830, the unit that needs to be line inf here is only the Garda

**PunitorMaximus** · October 24, 2012, 11:05 AM

ok, the others light infantry formation and cavalry?

**Miralem** · October 24, 2012, 11:38 AM

No cav for Montenegro, except for Generals, and would be great if u can make them dismountable

And ye, others are all light inf

**PunitorMaximus** · October 24, 2012, 12:15 PM

No cav for Montenegro, except for Generals, and would be great if u can make them dismountable

ok, thats what i meant. all generals are dismountable yet so montenegrins will be too

**Miralem** · October 24, 2012, 12:21 PM

Erm, u will make Montenegro as an independent nation.
If yes, I'll send in more militia uniforms & data like flags etc.

**PunitorMaximus** · October 24, 2012, 01:18 PM

Erm, u will make Montenegro as an independent nation

nope, but montenegrin general will be available for serbia

the mod refers to facts

**Count von Orlok** · October 24, 2012, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by PunitorMaximus

wow, thx very nice. simple and modern uniforms, i like!
they had no own line infantry?

BTW: 75% of new models and textures done. next release is a big one!

**ComnenusTheOne** · October 25, 2012, 03:17 AM

I still expecto screenshotas. Why dont you give us screenshots? Screenshots r guuuud.

I am still not buying the overly standardized and "elite" Montenegrins. At that time, their army shouldnt be any bigger than 4-5 thousand people at the most. Easy to standardize, you might, but it's still generally.... strange. Let me do my own research for a second.

**Miralem** · October 25, 2012, 07:06 AM

Montenegrins had a total of 40 infantry battalions.
Each one counted roughly 1500 men ( yes I know battalion is max 1200 but in Montenegro it was 1500 )
One battalion was the Garda
Four were the Perjanici
Some rough 10 were militia
Others were regularly mobilized infantry that fought as skrimishers.

So that makes a total count of some rough 60 thousand men fully mobilized for this war, of whom those 15000 militia were NOT for attacking.

Probably the best victory for the anti-Ottoman alliance that was looked-at as the most decisive one was the one attained by the Montenegrins at the Battle of Fundina ( Eastern Montenegro, near the Serbian border ).

C'mon, who in that era with 5000 men, of whom only some rough 800 Perjanici were really equipped well, could defeat a Martini rifle-equipped 40 thousand man army.... With only 600 casualties!

**ComnenusTheOne** · October 25, 2012, 07:10 AM

Nobody, thats why i find it completely suspect. Of course Montenegro isnt an area were the bulk of an army actually makes a difference. But i still find it veeeeeeery suspicious that a 300.000 population could field up to 50.000 soldiers, even with mass mobilization.

**Miralem** · October 25, 2012, 07:13 AM

Just realize, Montenegrins at that time didn't have much else to do than making food, guns, and war

Just realize this as well, during the Turkish conquests in the Balkans that started in mid-14th century, Bosnia fell in 1463, Serbia in 1459, and Montenegro in 1499! ( Some sources state 1501.. I still go for the 1499 one since the last ruler of the Kingdom Stefan II Crnojevich died in 1498 )

Croatia survived only cuz the entire anti-Turkish alliance going from the Holy Roman Empire to France supported it.

**ComnenusTheOne** · October 25, 2012, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by Miralem

Just realize, Montenegrins at that time didn't have much else to do than making food, guns, and war

Well.... yeah, technically speaking, i have to agree with that. Kecanje i ratovanje. That stems mostly from the excessive warlike nature of the Montenegrin clans of course, but you get the idea.