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    So, finally decided to splash out some cash for a 60 GB SSD (OCZ Tech).

    I mainly bought it with RS II in my mind, as the load times bw Campaign map and Battle map get a bit tedious.

    Ran a (very) simple test:

    Loading the campaign file (UAC 618 W)

    SSD: 28.7 sec
    HDD: 58.4 sec

    Loading the Battle map (random smallish battle):

    SSD: 14.9 sec
    HDD: 33.8 sec

    Exiting a battle, loading the Campaign map again:

    SSD: 27.5 sec
    HDD: 42.1 sec


    A tad disappointed, to be honest.

    I was sort of hoping to buzz in and out between maps in say 5 to 10 sec per piece. I have a 2.6 MHz rig with W7 64b.

    Thought I'd share this. Anyone having better luck re. load times?
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    How much RAM memory have you got? That can make a big difference to load times...possibly the biggest difference


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    I have much lower loading times, I do have i5 2315m, 8gb 1333mhz, and 120gb ssd.

    the 64gb models are the slowest of them all, the 256gb is the best in terms of performance. not to mention bang for the buck as well

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    I've got 4 gigs of RAM. I guess it is the age of the rig as a whole that is keeping me down.

    It IS a nice upgrade. Just thought the change would be even bigger.
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    yeah adding a SSD makes things go quick, but sometimes it aint quick as we would/are expect/ing

    As I said 64gb is the slowest of the bunch, and their price makes them one of the most expensive ones to buy in terms of dolar/gb, its usually around a 1/1 ratio, while a 256gb can be found for 0.5/1 ratio or even less, hell I saw a toshiba 512gb ssd for 0.35/1 ratio some days ago, it was a sata2 ssd sure, but its still one hell of a price

    Also one thing to keep in mind, its always a good measure to leave 20% free of the SSD, so around 12-15gb for you should be left unused. Also dont use win xp, use vista or later on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karamazovmm View Post
    Also one thing to keep in mind, its always a good measure to leave 20% free of the SSD, so around 12-15gb for you should be left unused.
    You don't need to do that anymore with new SSDs. The new controllers' performances don't take a hit when the disk is full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carmir View Post
    You don't need to do that anymore with new SSDs. The new controllers' performances don't take a hit when the disk is full.
    yes they do and you still need to do that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karamazovmm View Post
    I have much lower loading times, I do have i5 2315m, 8gb 1333mhz, and 120gb ssd.

    the 64gb models are the slowest of them all, the 256gb is the best in terms of performance. not to mention bang for the buck as well
    So how long does it take for you to have the game displaying the Campaign map, from the moment you double click a saved file on Load Campaign page of the main menu.

    Curious
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    I got around 15s, and mine is a sata 2 ssd running in IDE mode, its 120se btw in a seleucid campaign

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karamazovmm View Post
    I got around 15s, and mine is a sata 2 ssd running in IDE mode, its 120se btw in a seleucid campaign
    Not bad, from one minute (my HDD) to 15 secs.

    Possibly has to do with CPU as well, as I have an oldish AMD quad-2.6 GHz thingie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ye Olde Fahrt View Post
    Loading the campaign file (UAC 618 W)
    SSD: 28.7 sec
    HDD: 58.4 sec

    Loading the Battle map (random smallish battle):
    SSD: 14.9 sec
    HDD: 33.8 sec

    Exiting a battle, loading the Campaign map again:
    SSD: 27.5 sec
    HDD: 42.1 sec

    A tad disappointed, to be honest.
    I was sort of hoping to buzz in and out between maps in say 5 to 10 sec per piece. I have a 2.6 MHz rig with W7 64b.
    Thought I'd share this. Anyone having better luck re. load times?
    Your load times have been cut by close to 50% average, which is entirely and completely within the technical parameters when comparing average SSD to average HDD performances...so what ?...............
    Last edited by chris10; October 01, 2012 at 03:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris10 View Post
    Your load times have been cut by close to 50% average, which is entirely and completely within the technical parameters when comparing average SSD to average HDD performances...so what ?...............
    because when we rub the lamp something appears?

    there is a terrible misconception with SSD, people think that everything is instant, its not. its quite faster and once you go ssd you never go black

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris10 View Post
    Your load times have been cut by close to 50% average, which is entirely and completely within the technical parameters when comparing average SSD to average HDD performances...so what ?...............
    Ahhh... Parameters, scharameters... How very boring


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    because when we rub the lamp something appears?
    Hey it worked for Aladdin!

    Quote Originally Posted by Karamazovmm View Post
    there is a terrible misconception with SSD, people think that everything is instant, its not. its quite faster and once you go ssd you never go black
    Yes, warmly recommended! Installing it was a breeze, and deffo would not go back to old ways of things now that I have it
    Last edited by Ye Olde Fahrt; October 02, 2012 at 06:15 AM.
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    It matters on the RAM a lot. Because it is what causes the "Random Access Memory" to load up.
    And, Not only the size, We also have to look at the frequency of the RAM, i.e (400/800/1333/1600 MHz). It can make a huge difference.
    Last edited by MemphisRex; October 02, 2012 at 11:26 AM.
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    @Ye Olde Fahrt the joke about the lamp was because chris10 avatar is diablo from FF8, which you can get by rubbing a lamp

    @MemphisRex ram doesnt work that way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karamazovmm View Post
    @MemphisRex ram doesnt work that way
    Yeah. I am sorry, was kinda confused, But, I was basically talking about the frequency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karamazovmm View Post
    @Ye Olde Fahrt the joke about the lamp was because chris10 avatar is diablo from FF8, which you can get by rubbing a lamp
    OK, I guess this just proves I have chosen my user name... accurately...
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    @ all - dont worry we dont have to know everything, and FF8 is a fairly old game I played when I was in high school

    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisRex View Post
    It matters on the RAM a lot. Because it is what causes the "Random Access Memory" to load up.
    And, Not only the size, We also have to look at the frequency of the RAM, i.e (400/800/1333/1600 MHz). It can make a huge difference.
    The gains in terms of frequency within a architecture are minimal, it will boost performance just not enough to advocate for higher speed. For example a 1066mhz DDR3 would be around 15% slower than a 2800mhz, and given that for 8gb (2x 4gb) you have to pay around 270 bucks instead of 35 bucks for the former, you get the idea of how much not worth is that.

    if you want to know more read these articles:
    http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2002/07/caching/
    http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/...d-performance/
    http://arstechnica.com/information-t...s-really-work/

    those explain somethings that give us a good performance boost with marginal costs, instead of major costs like exceedingly expensive ram.

    and here is some basic things on how ram works (yes wikipedia in terms of pcs is fairly good for basic knowledge)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random-access_memory
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAS_latency
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-channel_architecture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karamazovmm View Post
    @ all - dont worry we dont have to know everything, and FF8 is a fairly old game I played when I was in high school



    The gains in terms of frequency within a architecture are minimal, it will boost performance just not enough to advocate for higher speed. For example a 1066mhz DDR3 would be around 15% slower than a 2800mhz, and given that for 8gb (2x 4gb) you have to pay around 270 bucks instead of 35 bucks for the former, you get the idea of how much not worth is that.

    if you want to know more read these articles:
    http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2002/07/caching/
    http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/...d-performance/
    http://arstechnica.com/information-t...s-really-work/

    those explain somethings that give us a good performance boost with marginal costs, instead of major costs like exceedingly expensive ram.

    and here is some basic things on how ram works (yes wikipedia in terms of pcs is fairly good for basic knowledge)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random-access_memory
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAS_latency
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-channel_architecture


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    I ran some tests some times back on loading times (specifically, start loading times), and I found out that RTW did a lot of caching.
    On a HDD, I believe it was about 50 seconds the first time, and down to 15-20 the next one on my computer.

    I don't know how much a SSD would affect that though.
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