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    sorry if this is already answered but who will became the faction leader of lorien Amdir or Malgalad?
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    Default Re: DCI: Last Alliance Total War - Settlements preview on page 80 released 26th September

    It's mentioned in the OP that Lothlórien's faction leader is Amdir; what Malgalad concern he's present in the game only under certain circumstances.

    While it's naturally most reasonable they were different names for the same character, the interpetation of them as different persons is the more fruitful for lore combined with mechanics in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ngugi View Post
    It's mentioned in the OP that Lothlórien's faction leader is Amdir; what Malgalad concern he's present in the game only under certain circumstances.

    While it's naturally most reasonable they were different names for the same character, the interpetation of them as different persons is the more fruitful for lore combined with mechanics in this case.
    thanks for the answer
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    grmbl here I am again whit questions
    where will you put the melee weapon bonus both for archers and infantry by a swordsmiths guild like vanila MTW2 or somewhere other?
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    Default Re: DCI: Last Alliance Total War - Settlements preview on page 80 released 26th September

    AFAIK. If it does in TATW, so it does here, because we have not changed anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ngugi View Post
    AFAIK. If it does in TATW, so it does here, because we have not changed anything.
    and you are not going to do it?
    many thanks for anwering
    btw like you new atvatar
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    Possibly.
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    I think that would be awesome if you could use as portraits of the Nazgûls characters in the campaign the following pictures taking from the concept art of the movie "The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies". Basically not only because they have some really outstanding designs (specially Khamûl) but also because from my point of view these looks of the Nazgûls (that in the movie appear as ghostly things) represent their old appearance of the times of glory of Sauron when he still had the Ring of Power and was in the heigh of his power, so they will fit very well with the time in which takes place your submod. Besides they also could serve as model to remade the Nazgûl generalsand give a different appearance to them in the battlefield!

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    I love specially the design of the third begining from the right corner because he seems an old numeronian lord fallen in the shadow


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    Default Re: DCI: Last Alliance Total War - Settlements preview on page 80 released 26th September

    Afraid I have to disappoint you, but we will keep the apperances as they are.

    The Nazgûl had been in extistance in their undead wraith form for over a thousand years, and the same rule applied then as during LotR, that they were invisible and had to clad themselves in real fabric to be visible in their interactions with the physichal world's inhabitants:
    '... the black robes are real robes that they wear to give shape to their nothingness when they have dealings with the living.'
    - Gandalf, FotR
    Thus they would not appear in whatever form they once had as living to anyone, but to a few Elves in Middle-earth even at this time. Instead they would by all credibility be seen in robes in same manner as during LotR, and it would be improper to use any Hobbit movies-apperances, so we'll leave it as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ngugi View Post
    Afraid I have to disappoint you, but we will keep the apperances as they are.

    The Nazgûl had been in extistance in their undead wraith form for over a thousand years, and the same rule applied then as during LotR, that they were invisible and had to clad themselves in real fabric to be visible in their interactions with the physichal world's inhabitants:

    Thus they would not appear in whatever form they once had as living to anyone, but to a few Elves in Middle-earth even at this time. Instead they would by all credibility be seen in robes in same manner as during LotR, and it would be improper to use any Hobbit movies-apperances, so we'll leave it as it is.
    Ok, I understand your point. But this left me a question: so if the nazguls only could be seen in robes even in the times of DCI Last Alliance why so the Witch King of Angmar appears with an "armour" (with part of it made of robes of course) at the times of LOTR during the Battle of Pelennor? This is an ivention of Jackson or is part of the Tolkien canonical texts? And in Angmar which was the apperance of the Wich King? Also as a ghost covered with black robes? Or he had a disguise to hide his true identitie?
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    Default Re: DCI: Last Alliance Total War - Settlements preview on page 80 released 26th September

    The "armour" part is actually an invention of PJ, during the Battle of the Pelennor Fields he only has his black cloak, and a "crown" UNDERNEATH his hood, which appears to float in the nothingness that is contained within the robes. Therefore even his distinctive war-helmet from the movies could be considered non-canonical.

    And since the only representation of the Witch-King during the "Golden Age" of Angmar comes from the BFME games, and that direct mentions to the Witch-King during the Wars of Arnor were very sparse in Tolkien's writings, there is nothing that proves that he used a disguise, or a full armour set. He could very well have had the same appearance as during the War of the Ring.

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    The Nazgul wearing silver helms is mentioned in a Knife in the Dark.

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    Default Re: DCI: Last Alliance Total War - Settlements preview on page 80 released 26th September

    Only when Frodo could see their true appearance UNDERNEATH their cloaks as he was wearing the One Ring - and they were only visible as part of their "wraith" forms, that is not part of the material world.
    Therefore even if they wore silver helms as ghosts, their physical appearance to the real world is still without any helm or crown.

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    helllo DCILA team
    I have 2 suggestions
    1 to bring more varity in the dwarven rosters give the dwarven nogrod raiders a secondary weapon so they are like gondors perlagir marines in vanila TATW
    2 I cannnot made screenshot of it but if possible try to use DACs cheverons and sword and schield icons [that the uint get when you upgrade their armour attack and XP] upon the uint cards I like them more than MTW2 vanila icons
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    Quote Originally Posted by atthias View Post
    2 I cannnot made screenshot of it but if possible try to use DACs cheverons and sword and schield icons [that the uint get when you upgrade their armour attack and XP] upon the uint cards I like them more than MTW2 vanila icons
    Afaik, the creator made them only to be used in DaC.

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    We have not removed the WK's film-crown - because he indeed had a crown (not counting the spirit-world apperance seen by Frodo at Weathertop).
    We know nothing about the Witch-king's or the others apperance prior to the LotR, while their lord in the battle for Minas Tirith had put on himself a physichal crown (which he for what we can assume he had not worn earlier in the book[s]), a big black robe á la a black rider, with a mail coat hidden under it.

    ‘You cannot enter here,’ said Gandalf, and the huge shadow halted. ‘Go back to the abyss prepared for you! Go back! Fall into the nothingness that awaits you and your Master. Go!’The Black Rider flung back his hood, and behold! he had a kingly crown; and yet upon no head visible was it set. The red fires shone between it and the mantled shoulders vast and dark.
    - RotK; The Siege of Gondor


    Upon it sat a shape, black-mantled, huge and threatening. A crown of steel he bore, but between rim and robe naught was there to see, save only a deadly gleam of eyes: the Lord of the Nazgûl.
    ...
    Then tottering, struggling up, with her last strength she drove her sword between crown and mantle, as the great shoulders bowed before her. The sword broke sparkling into many shards. The crown rolled away with a clang. Éowyn fell forward upon her fallen foe. But lo! the mantle and hauberk were empty. Shapeless they lay now on the ground, torn and tumbled; and a cry went up into the shuddering air, and faded to a shrill wailing, passing with the wind, a voice bodiless and thin that died, and was swallowed up, and was never heard again in that age of this world.
    - RotK; The Battle of the Pelennor Fields
    So as is seen, even when they would don a mail they would wear all and any gear under their black robes, hehe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ngugi View Post
    We have not removed the WK's film-crown - because he indeed had a crown (not counting the spirit-world apperance seen by Frodo at Weathertop).
    We know nothing about the Witch-king's or the others apperance prior to the LotR, while their lord in the battle for Minas Tirith had put on himself a physichal crown (which he for what we can assume he had not worn earlier in the book[s]), a big black robe á la a black rider, with a mail coat hidden under it.

    So as is seen, even when they would don a mail they would wear all and any gear under their black robes, hehe.

    Very interesting indeed there are several of details that I doesn't remeber of the LOTR book. I should read again in the future hahaha.

    On other hand, what are your plans for the designs of the "Black Numeroneas" or "King's Men" of Umbar and the south colonies? Until I know at this time they still conserved a good part of their Numenorean culture altough with the dark influence of Sauron. So I think that their units should conserve something of the glorious and majestic look of their ancestors but with a clear influence of the shadow as for example in the colours of their armours and clothes (red and black with the "eye symbol" as their heraldry??).


    Below I put some pictures of "Late Numenoreans" and "Black Numenoreans" that could serve as inspiration:

    Sources:

    http://turnermohan.deviantart.com/art/Numenorean-Armor-2-Color-449517412


    http://turnermohan.deviantart.com/ar...rmor-382304873


    http://merlkir.deviantart.com/art/Nu...uard-108805905


    http://abepapakhian.deviantart.com/art/NUMENOREANSlr-439011312


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    In this picture the high guys are the Numeroneans








    The King Ar Phazaron

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    http://turnermohan.deviantart.com/ar...azon-389413749

    http://turnermohan.deviantart.com/art/Ar-Pharazon-386497814

    http://steamey.deviantart.com/art/Ar-Pharazon-371385735

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    And finally Black Numeroeans

    Sources:

    http://postimg.org/image/vk3pmwgfh/

    http://www.mithril.ie/release-lo21-to-lo30-c102x1865486

    http://benmaynardofmanyarts.deviantart.com/art/Black-Numenoreans-take-2-294730373

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    Ok this mate could not be a cannonical Nazgul but his designs resembles enough to a numenorean/gondorian armour to serve as inspiration of a black numenorean general or an elite warrior of the "King's men".











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    On our Black Númenórean plans and intentions, see this post: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post14721155

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ngugi View Post
    On our Black Númenórean plans and intentions, see this post: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post14721155
    Perfect I agree with you nothing of horns and silly demonic looks. But the svastike as symbol and Himmler as commander hahaha!!!

    Now seriously I have two more questions if you don't have problem to answer it:

    These black numeronean units will have some reference to Ar Phararazon and the Cult of Melkor in their names (something like the "Guard of the Temple of Melkor" as counterpart of the "Guard of the Fountain")?

    And about the references to the superior heigh of the Numenoreans respect other races of men of the Middle Earth (I read somewhere that Elendil had eight feet tall so he could fight hand to hand with Sauron!) do you have plans to include this fact in your submod with certain units?

    Anyways thanks for answer all my previous questions and I am sure that you and the rest of your team will make a great work with the units of the infamous and dreadful black numenoreans.
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    Default Re: DCI: Last Alliance Total War - Settlements preview on page 80 released 26th September

    No sweat, we answer what we may, hehe.

    1) No unit name will refere to Ar-Pharazon, no, because Sauron hated Númenor and Ar-Pharazon most of all.
    That ties together with that there will be a Temple Guards-unit, yes, but it do not concern Melkor/Morgoth.
    Hmm, easiest to make a little history lesson of this I guess.


    When Sauron became the new Dark Lord, he implemented himself as a god, and himself only;
    Thus, as the Second Age draws on, we have a great Kingdom and evil theocracy (for Sauron is also the god of his slaves) growing up in Middle-earth.
    - Letter 131

    To them [almost all Men in east and south] Sauron was both king and god; and they feared him exceedingly, for he surrounded his abode with fire.
    - Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age
    During the Second Age Sauron came to hate Númenor, for many real and perceived reasons.
    When Ar-Pharazon came to Middle-earth with his host in 3261, he humiliated Sauron (naturally) and earned Sauron's personal hatred. Sauron did accept to have Numenoreans as servants (more sensible he was than his former master would been in such a situation), but Númenor's destruction and Ar-Pharazon's death was his big goal - otherwise he could had kept Númenor and Ar-Pharazon as his servants to use them to rule Middle-earth. That would been smart, but he did not because of his hatred.
    But though Sauron's whole true motive was the destruction of the Numenoreans, this was a particular matter of revenge upon Ar-Pharazon, for humiliation. Sauron (unlike Morgoth) would have been content for the Numenoreans to exist, as his own subjects, and indeed he used a great many of them that he corrupted to his allegiance.
    HoME 10; Morgoth's Ring; VII; (i)
    As was seen later in the Third Age, even in Gondor that was a common view that Ar-Pharazon shamed the Dark Lord, and Sauron would accept no recognition of the old king:
    The loss of Umbar was grievous to Gondor,... because it was there that Ar-Pharazôn the Golden, last King of Númenor, had landed and humbled the might of Sauron. Though great evil had come after, even the followers of Elendil remembered with pride the coming of the great host of Ar-Pharazôn out of the deeps of the Sea; and on the highest hill of the headland above the Haven they had set a great white pillar as a monument.
    ...So it stood, until after the second arising of Sauron,... Umbar fell under the domination of his servants, and the memorial of his humiliation was thrown down.
    - Appendix A
    While Sauron was in Númenor he started to preach the gospel of Melkor as we all know:
    Then behind locked doors Sauron spoke to the King, and he lied, saying: 'It is he whose name is not now spoken; for the Valar have deceived you concerning him, putting forward the name of Eru, a phantom devised in the folly of their hearts, seeking to enchain Men in servitude to themselves. For they are the oracle of this Eru, which speaks only what they will. But he that is their master shall yet prevail, and he will deliver you from this phantom; and his name is Melkor, Lord of All, Giver of Freedom, and he shall make you stronger than they.'
    - Akallabeth
    But it was not because Sauron led a religion to worship the former Dark Lord, but because it was the best way for himself to gain power. He could not call himself a god, because Ar-Pharazon had defeated him, but he could gain influence and power in the kingdom by acting as a prophet of 'another':
    [Sauron's] cunning motive is probably best expressed thus. To wean one of the God-fearing from their allegiance it is best to propound another unseen object of allegiance and another hope of benefits; propound to him a Lord who will sanction what he desires and not forbid it. Sauron, apparently a defeated rival for world-power, now a mere hostage, can hardly propound himself; but as the former servant and disciple of Melkor, the worship of Melkor will raise him from hostage to high priest.
    - HoME 10; Morgoth's Ring; VII; (i)
    But even on Númenor, in time Sauron was happy to become the center of worship as a god himself.
    Now the [Valars] lightnings increased and slew men upon the hills, and in the fields, and in the streets of the city; and a fiery bolt smote the dome of the Temple and shore it asunder, and it was wreathed in flame. But the Temple itself was unshaken, and Sauron stood there upon the pinnacle and defied the lightning and was unharmed; and in that hour men called him a god and did all that he would.
    - Akallabeth

    The BNs were, we can guess, proud of Ar-Pharazon and the might of their people at their peak [of power], but I can not fathom Sauron to ever approve of them putting it on display, or brag with the name of his personal enemy.

    Also, there will be a Temple Guard, the elite unit among BNs, but the religion of the evil factions is called 'Followers of Sauron' as they worship him, not Melkor, and the temples will refere to Sauron.


    2) No, not in visuals. Their greater height is accounted for in unit stats, but we won't bother with small height differences that would require massive labour to fix for no actual gain
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