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    Nature strives to fill the naked void with life
    Man seeks to fill the void with thought for he cannot create life

    Many religions point out mans seperation to the other lifeforms that inhabit his realm, that whilst he is similar he is not of them... or not entirely. He is gods image, created by the maker directly.

    Mans void is seperate to nature, he is not satisfied, like other animals, solely with the desire to survive and procreate, to carry on natures bidding. He wants more, he wants purpose that seems eternally denied him. This could suggest outside interference, as many ancient religions point towards. That whilst our pysical forms are of nature, our life is engineered by an outside presence. Billions believe in god with zero evidence, so why not believe in a maker that is similar to ourselves... much more advanced and probably extinct long before now... or in the least alien to it's form hundreds of millions of years ago. Basically that god = ancient 'aliens', a terribly original concept I know.

    Prometheus stole fire from the gods, however like most religions there is a simple direct meaning and a deeper symbolic meaning. This being did not teach man how to make a fire, but rather bestowed him with the ability to create life... or in the least replicate it. I believe that fire is the symbol of life in this case, that it represents a challenge to the naked darkness that stands eternally over us. A brief ephemeral thing that nonetheless stands in opposition to the predatory void, spreading heat and light for it's short existence. An answer, or in the least, a question posed to the darkness. However man cannot create life, he can merely propagate it. So this tale may have been of our makers, that they tried to steal life from the 'gods' and engineer us. Yes Prometheus played a major part in this, whilst the film was nothing special it did raise alot of interesting questions... even though many of these exist because the producer did not think he had the ability to convey a satisfactory answer, like alot of films about questions. If you show a naked pale guy seeding life on earth, you may as well share a philosophy as to why we exist, instead of answering questions with even more. Or in the least flesh things out better.

    Anyway god, prometheans, etc may be alot like us, constructs seeking answers. As such they may have tried to bend nature to their will, much like their original masters, and replicate life. After all if man can do something new he will try it it out... whether it be flying, building a wall or detonating an atomic bomb. However the 'prometheans' lack the balance and simple purpose of lifeforms created by nature, miring us in disatisfaction and chaos, much like our progenitators. ing with nature is never wise.

    The interferance of a sentient being is always clear, the difference between the created and the direct produce of nature. Our own void to fill, our own seperate desire to nature despite the bond with it.

    Further comparison with religion is inevitable. Thought is mans tool of creation, and there are many... just like nature shapes its many creations. Some flail and die whilst others survive for awhile. Good and evil, light and dark, are nothing more than the struggle of life versus it's eternal enemy, the void. The fire that stands opposed to the cold naked heavens. We are probably engineered by beings that were once much like us... or posed as us. God if you will, and why not? They may as well HAVE been

    Don't call me crazy, I believe that this is a more scientific interpretation of religion. After all religion was mans first attempt at science, to understand. And I don't know if any of this is true... it's just life shouting out into the darkness. Remember, it's people who think they DO know the answers who are truly dangerous.
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    mans first attempt to maintain order and give purpose in life.

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    Homo Floresiensis says what?

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    Our source is transcendent, that's all we can say with any certainty and objectivity, to make claims further than this is intellectual masturbation.
    We have no clear purpose.
    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are so certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubts.
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    Or you could just accept the salvation of Christ. That will sort you right out a treat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    Or you could just accept the salvation of Christ. That will sort you right out a treat.
    Easier said than done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Himster View Post
    Easier said than done.
    It isn't but it will keep from writing a wall of text about the interferance of a sentient being and the difference between the created and the direct produce of nature in the void. You can just say "God done it" instead. You can go into a bit more detail but that's theology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Himster View Post
    Easier said than done.
    You're joking right?

    In Christiany, you just have to believe that Jesus is Son of God, that Mary was his mother, and the God exists.

    In Islam, you have to believe that all Prophets from Adam to Muhammad are true prophets, you must believe that God is One, Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent, you must pray 5 times a day, you must give in charity(this is really hard for some people), you must do a pilgrimage to the Holy City of Mecca, you must also fast during Ramadan, and much more.


    Easier said than done, my ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperTechmarine View Post
    You're joking right?

    In Christiany, you just have to believe that Jesus is Son of God, that Mary was his mother, and the God exists.

    In Islam, you have to believe that all Prophets from Adam to Muhammad are true prophets, you must believe that God is One, Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent, you must pray 5 times a day, you must give in charity(this is really hard for some people), you must do a pilgrimage to the Holy City of Mecca, you must also fast during Ramadan, and much more.


    Easier said than done, my ass.
    He meant more difficult to believe from his post Enlightenment Western perspective he didn't mean practice compared to Islam. No-ones suggesting that there isn't more you have to do in Islam. Though of course you don't have to do any of that its a man made creation AND it won't affect your chances of getting into heaven. But if you're enjoying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    He meant more difficult to believe from his post Enlightenment Western perspective he didn't mean practice compared to Islam. No-ones suggesting that there isn't more you have to do in Islam. Though of course you don't have to do any of that its a man made creation AND it won't affect your chances of getting into heaven. But if you're enjoying it.
    Prove it, i dare you.

    If you doubt its divinity, i dare you to produce a single chapter like it.

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    Is this where the bickering starts about which religion is less true than the others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    Is this where the bickering starts about which religion is less true than the others?
    Yes it all happens when someone says the next religion is man-made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperTechmarine View Post
    Yes it all happens when someone says the next religion is man-made.
    Every current religion is pretty demonstrably an evolution on previous religions in which man changed things for either convenient, governmental, or ethical reasons. This is also seen with older religions, though to a less detailed extent. The amalgamation that are modern religions suggests no independent evidence of divine influence, inspiration, or buildup. The myths say plenty, but there's no tangible walking the walk there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperTechmarine View Post
    Prove it, i dare you.

    If you doubt its divinity, i dare you to produce a single chapter like it.

    Bring it. Your ancestors failed...hard.
    I don't know how I'm meant to prove anything to you but there is only one religion where the founder gave his followers instructions not take too much heed to man made traditions and conventions (or to pray in vain repetitions or make public displays of worship etc) rather than making up a whole new set of traditions that his followers had to adhere to if they want to go to heaven. If God was to found a religion himself it have to stand out from the rest in some way.

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    Back on-topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    I don't know how I'm meant to prove anything to you but there is only one religion where the founder gave his followers instructions not take too much heed to man made traditions and conventions (or to pray in vain repetitions or make public displays of worship etc) rather than making up a whole new set of traditions that his followers had to adhere to if they want to go to heaven. If God was to found a religion himself it have to stand out from the rest in some way.
    The only religions that stand out are:

    Juice Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Zoroastronoism.
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    What do you mean with "stand out"?

    Also, you may want to look up Bahá'í Wikipedia article

    I'm not religious, but if I were to choose one that may be universal, that may just be it.

    Oh, and look up how the Muslims treat the Baha'i
    Look not above, there is no answer there; Pray not, for no one listens to your prayer; Near is as near to God as any Far, And Here is just the same deceit as There.

    And do you think that unto such as you; A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew: God gave the secret, and denied it me?-- Well, well, what matters it! Believe that, too.

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    Judaism= based around a lot of human tradition and works

    Christianity= based around a direct relationship with God and grace

    Islam= based around a lot of human tradition and works

    Hinduism= based around a lot of human tradition and works

    Buddhism= more of a philosophy than a religion and works

    Taoism= more of a philosophy than a religion and works

    Zoroastronoism= based around a lot of human tradition and works

    Again the true religion if there is one would have to stand out in some way and there is one that does.

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    Christianity= based around a direct relationship with God and grace

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    Again the true religion if there is one would have to stand out in some way and there is one that does.
    You're not talking about the one with tithes are you? Oh you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    You're not talking about the one with tithes are you? Oh you...
    Did that come from Jesus? In Islam the thing about non-Muslims having to pay tribute does come from Mohammed. In Hinduism the caste system comes from their sacred texts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo View Post
    Did that come from Jesus?
    Pretty irrelevant. The religion's got tithes.
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