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    Hey all. Heathen invited me along for the ride with you guys when I proposed a dark ages mod, and I'm sad to say was unaware of the great work you guys have already done. A couple of ideas I'd like to propose if I may be so bold. (Also, not sure if anyone here is aware, but viking is the feminine article. The masculine is vikingr. Just thought I'd share since i just learned that yesterday.)

    1. While I understand that europe was the epicenter of the dark ages, personally, i wouldn't want to skimp on representing eastern factions. (also is there a list of the proposed factions? I didn't see one...)

    2.I would highly recommend including RR/RC in the mod. It makes the combat much more enjoyable.

    3. As for those factions that don't get represented in the mod, I think having an AOR system in place and some unique mercenaries and local units available will help balance things out. So while there may not be a finnish faction, there could be finnish raiders to be hired as mercenaries or finnish archers as a local levy.

    I'll post more ideas as I come up with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dahooscarl View Post
    Hey all. Heathen invited me along for the ride with you guys when I proposed a dark ages mod, and I'm sad to say was unaware of the great work you guys have already done. A couple of ideas I'd like to propose if I may be so bold. (Also, not sure if anyone here is aware, but viking is the feminine article. The masculine is vikingr. Just thought I'd share since i just learned that yesterday.)

    1. While I understand that europe was the epicenter of the dark ages, personally, i wouldn't want to skimp on representing eastern factions. (also is there a list of the proposed factions? I didn't see one...)

    2.I would highly recommend including RR/RC in the mod. It makes the combat much more enjoyable.

    3. As for those factions that don't get represented in the mod, I think having an AOR system in place and some unique mercenaries and local units available will help balance things out. So while there may not be a finnish faction, there could be finnish raiders to be hired as mercenaries or finnish archers as a local levy.

    I'll post more ideas as I come up with them.
    It depends what you mean by Eastern factions.... we have the Emirate of Cordoba and Sicilian Emirate. There is a full list of factions in the introduction and FAQ

    2. There will be an RR/RC system although it will be REAL historical recruitment.

    3. That is already in plan

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    Quote Originally Posted by dahooscarl View Post
    ...not sure if anyone here is aware, but viking is the feminine article. The masculine is vikingr. Just thought I'd share since i just learned that yesterday.
    There is no feminine form of the word 'vkingr', as in a person who is a pirate, freebooter or viking, even when it's in reference to a female. The word 'vking', as in the act of piracy or a viking expedition, is a feminine word, though. The gender of words in Old Norse has very little to do with sex.

    If you want to use the correct forms of the word 'vkingr' (person, not act) here's a quick guide:

    Nominative: Vkingr, plural Vkingar.
    Accusative: Vking, plural Vkinga
    Dative: Vkingi, plural Vkingum
    Genitive: Vkings, plural Vkinga

    The definite forms (The Viking is definite in English. Old Norse uses a suffix instead of a word like 'the', though) are:

    Nominative: Vkingrinn plural Vkingarnir.
    Accusative: Vkinginn, plural Vkingana
    Dative: Vkinginum, plural Vkingunum
    Genitive: Vkingsins, plural Vkinganna

    There's your quick guide on the declension of 1st type masculine nouns in Old Norse. If that looks complicated, be glad you've never had to conjugate verbs in Old Norse. Those are hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docm30 View Post
    There is no feminine form of the word 'vkingr', as in a person who is a pirate, freebooter or viking, even when it's in reference to a female. The word 'vking', as in the act of piracy or a viking expedition, is a feminine word, though. The gender of words in Old Norse has very little to do with sex.

    If you want to use the correct forms of the word 'vkingr' (person, not act) here's a quick guide:

    Nominative: Vkingr, plural Vkingar.
    Accusative: Vking, plural Vkinga
    Dative: Vkingi, plural Vkingum
    Genitive: Vkings, plural Vkinga

    The definite forms (The Viking is definite in English. Old Norse uses a suffix instead of a word like 'the', though) are:

    Nominative: Vkingrinn plural Vkingarnir.
    Accusative: Vkinginn, plural Vkingana
    Dative: Vkinginum, plural Vkingunum
    Genitive: Vkingsins, plural Vkinganna

    There's your quick guide on the declension of 1st type masculine nouns in Old Norse. If that looks complicated, be glad you've never had to conjugate verbs in Old Norse. Those are hell.
    Gods! I see now the differences between the continental Germanic languages and the Northern variants. Curious... I know German (as a second language) and am fairly confident in conjugating the verbs, however that looks beyond complicated!

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    All the ancient Indo-European languages used inflexion (like the suffixes shown). When the Anglo-Saxons and the Danes in England tried to communicate with each other - they invented a system of prepositions e.g to, from, by, for, and it became English.

    In most languages that have 2 or 3 genders for words, the gender is for the word not the person to which it is applied. English does not have this, it only has genders for people/animals (and ships) which makes it simpler (at least in that regard).

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    Quote Originally Posted by druzhina345 View Post
    All the ancient Indo-European languages used inflexion (like the suffixes shown). When the Anglo-Saxons and the Danes in England tried to communicate with each other - they invented a system of prepositions e.g to, from, by, for, and it became English.

    In most languages that have 2 or 3 genders for words, the gender is for the word not the person to which it is applied. English does not have this, it only has genders for people/animals (and ships) which makes it simpler (at least in that regard).

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    That makes perfect sense... You are a well learned individual

    On another note, how do you guys like my shield patterns?

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    The shield patterns look great

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docm30 View Post
    There is no feminine form of the word 'vkingr', as in a person who is a pirate, freebooter or viking, even when it's in reference to a female. The word 'vking', as in the act of piracy or a viking expedition, is a feminine word, though. The gender of words in Old Norse has very little to do with sex.

    If you want to use the correct forms of the word 'vkingr' (person, not act) here's a quick guide:

    Nominative: Vkingr, plural Vkingar.
    Accusative: Vking, plural Vkinga
    Dative: Vkingi, plural Vkingum
    Genitive: Vkings, plural Vkinga

    The definite forms (The Viking is definite in English. Old Norse uses a suffix instead of a word like 'the', though) are:

    Nominative: Vkingrinn plural Vkingarnir.
    Accusative: Vkinginn, plural Vkingana
    Dative: Vkinginum, plural Vkingunum
    Genitive: Vkingsins, plural Vkinganna

    There's your quick guide on the declension of 1st type masculine nouns in Old Norse. If that looks complicated, be glad you've never had to conjugate verbs in Old Norse. Those are hell.
    Not according to wikipedia. And of course if it's on wiki, then it's gotta be true.

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    Wikipedia says, as I said, that the noun that refers to a free-booting expedition is feminine, but the word that refers to a person who goes on such an expedition (what we call a Viking) is masculine.
    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Storm View Post
    Gods! I see now the differences between the continental Germanic languages and the Northern variants. Curious... I know German (as a second language) and am fairly confident in conjugating the verbs, however that looks beyond complicated!
    Here's a simple, but utterly terrifying guide to the conjugation of verbs in Old Norse: Behold!

    It's not quite as intimidating as it appears at first, but it's still a real pain to learn.

    Rockin' shields, by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docm30 View Post
    Wikipedia says, as I said, that the noun that refers to a free-booting expedition is feminine, but the word that refers to a person who goes on such an expedition (what we call a Viking) is masculine.


    Here's a simple, but utterly terrifying guide to the conjugation of verbs in Old Norse: Behold!

    It's not quite as intimidating as it appears at first, but it's still a real pain to learn.

    Rockin' shields, by the way.
    Damn that is terrifying. :O

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