Armenia suspends relations with Hungary over astonishing extradition

[white-wolf]

You are putting words in his mouth. Don't do that. Not a honest way of argument.

I am not putting words in others mouth. ASALA members are scum. I can not find enough words to tell ones who try to white wash them or some of them.

[Lord Mov]

I assume I am and the rest of the world are wrong, and the ASALA members were flower children.

I am not putting words in others mouth. ASALA members are scum. I can not find enough words to tell ones who try to white wash them or some of them.

You were somehow implying that Drtad was saying ASALA members are flower children....that was my issue.

[white-wolf]

You were somehow implying that Drtad was saying ASALA members are flower children....that was my issue.

Yet, he says

First of all, the branding of all ASALA members as "terrorists" is very misleading.

I sorry that if you are offended my assumption from his words that he defends "some" terrorist.

[Lord Mov]

Yet, he says

I sorry that if you are offended my assumption from his words that he defends "some" terrorist.

In that statement he was referring to Melkonian specifically, in that he was not a simple terrorist and not one-dimensional as for example Hagobian was in their actions.

[white-wolf]

In that statement he was referring to Melkonian specifically, in that he was not a simple terrorist and not one-dimensional as for example Hagobian was in their actions.

Yeah I know Melkonian is Your Hero because of Karabagh war. However, it does not change that he was a terrorist. And Melkonian and his career-friends' case - their status in Armenia - is the irony about this thread.

[Lord Mov]

Yeah I know Melkonian is Your Hero because of Karabagh war. However, it does not change that he was a terrorist. And Melkonian and his career-friends' case - their status in Armenia - is the irony about this thread.

And he is considered a hero for his efforts in Karabakh, not for his time in ASALA. No ASALA member besides him is considered national hero in Armenia. His actions to obtain hero status were done on the battlefield.

[Drtad]

Yet, he says

I sorry that if you are offended my assumption from his words that he defends "some" terrorist.

I'm not defending his terrorist actions. I clearly stated that labeling him a terrorist is misleading because he was not a one-dimensional person like other ASALA members.

"not one-dimensional" does not mean "his terrorist actions were great"

As I said, I personally don't condone violence as the ultimate solution for any problem. I would never defend terrorist actions. If you think I am, then you are mistaken.

[gago]

Safarov to Return to Active Duty

BAKU (RFE/RL)—Ramil Safarov, the Azerbaijani army officer who had hacked to death an Armenian colleague in Hungary, will return to active duty military service soon, a senior Azerbaijani military official said over the weekend.
“Right now Ramil Safarov is on vacation and having a rest. He will return to service after the vacation,” Major-General Ramiz Najafov, head of the external relations department at the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense, told the SalamNews agency. Najafov did not specify whether Safarov will serve and in what capacity.
Citing “threats” from Armenia, the general also said that Azerbaijani authorities are taking “necessary measures” to protect him against possible assassination attempts. “Relevant structures are taking security measures with regard to Safarov,” he said.
Safarov received a hero’s welcome in Baku on August 31 following his extradition from Hungary and immediate pardoning by President Ilham Aliyev more than eight years after he axe-murdered Armenian Lieutenant Gurgen Markarian during a NATO training course in Budapest. He was promoted from the rank of lieutenant to major, granted a free apartment and paid eight years’ worth of back pay the following day.
Azerbaijani Defense Minister Safar Abiyev personally met with the 35-year-old and wished him future success in his military career. Safarov, who was sentenced to life imprisonment by a Hungarian court in 2006, has not been seen in public since then.
The release of the convicted axe-killer has provoked a furious reaction from Armenia and strong international criticism. The United States, the European Union and Russia consider it a serious blow to their long-running efforts to broker a peaceful solution to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.
“We continue to express our dismay and disappointment,” U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Philip Gordon told RFE/RL in Washington on Thursday.
“In our view, this is someone who should have continued to serve out his sentence, and certainly we were appalled by the glorification that we heard in some quarters of somebody who was convicted of murder,” Gordon said.
Najafov insisted, however, that Aliyev’s decision to pardon Safarov was an “exceptionally humane step.”

http://asbarez.com/105644/safarov-to...o-active-duty/

Im guessing he will be killed by his own troops, blame will be put on Armenia for violating ceasefire and he will be proclaimed a national hero.

[Lord Mov]

Im guessing he will be killed by his own troops, blame will be put on Armenia for violating ceasefire and he will be proclaimed a national hero.

It's a possibility. I really don't know what to expect from the Aliyev Regime anymore. Their oil levels have been dropping so that might mean the regime taking extraordinary steps.

[gago]

It's a possibility. I really don't know what to expect from the Aliyev Regime anymore. Their oil levels have been dropping so that might mean the regime taking extraordinary steps.

Apparently they are in need of money, they claim Karabakh owes them $431.5 billion in damages

Baku seeks $431,5 bn. in “damages” from Karabakh

September 25, 2012 - 16:24 AMT
PanARMENIAN.Net - Azeri Ministry of Economic development assessed the “total damage” inflicted to Azerbaijan as a result of a so-called Armenian “occupation,” or rather, liberation of historical Armenian lands.Azeri calculations boiled down to an astronomical sum of $431,5 bn. Azeri Ministries of Ecology and Economic Development, as well as a State Committee on Refugee and IDPs Affairs had a hand in cooking up the figure. Moreover, as Baku assures the damage assessment is still in progress.
Clearly, the “assessment” came as a result of Astana-hosted international congress of appraisers where Baku was instructed to develop the standards of assessing the damages suffered in the international conflict.
Moreover, calls to sue Armenia in international court for economic damages are becoming louder in Baku.
One may suppose, the “total damages” will be growing in proportion to the frequency of those calls.
Back in 2005, Azeri assessed a similar damage at $26,5 bn, with the figure having magically swollen up by over 16 times in 7 years.
Obviously, Baku has finally realized that the Nagorno Karabakh Republic will never become a part of the country propagating hatred towards Armenian nation and bringing up a generation of axe-killers.
So, to have something to show for it, Azerbaijan, with over a $22 bn state budget, is trying to make a market of Karabakh.
Marina Ananikyan / PanARMENIAN News
http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/124441/

[Azeri440]

really ? last time I checked Armenia has a pretty bad economy

[gago]

really ? last time I checked Armenia has a pretty bad economy

Did you find your sources yet?

[Alpagut]

"elfdude" mate, you don't really make much of sense in your posts. In fact, alot of childish posts in this thread not only by you. Not only you don't have a basic knowledge on the matter (military), but you sound childish. I'm not a military expert, but at least I know a thing or two.

First of all, the $3.7 billion figure is for the last 2 years only, and as you can guess the procurement will continue. And secondly, it refers to procurement of military equipment, not what they pay to upkeep and maintain the army, that is separate from the procurement budget.

Now, lets make it clear that this sum is indeed far above what Armenia can come up with. We are not comparing militaries of Azerbaijan and USA here.

As for your comparision of armed forces, there are clear and big advantage of Azerbaijan, both quantity and quality. And if you wish, we can perhaps go into details. You write that Russia would do this and that in a conflict, yet Russia is the second biggest arms supplier to Azerbaijan after Israel in terms of transaction amounts. It is clear to everyone that Russia and Armenia is political and military allies, and Russia has a base in Armenia, but Russia and Azerbaijan is certainly far from being hostile enemies, at least this is not reflected in relations.

Your comments about air-forces is also very amusing. Do you make these things up yourself? Armenian air-force does not even have a single fighter, and has only 15 or so Su-25 and similiar number of Mi-24 helicopters.

[Azeri440]

Did you find your sources yet?

i didnt even bother responding to you since u cant even manage to read

I said send me an article where Heydar Aliyev admits Hojali was Azerbaijans fault
not some armenian BS
you keep believing Armenian propaganda while other countries keep recognizing Hojali genocide

and i said the link for Azerbaijan air force can destroy armenia and Georgia in 49mins from news.az
its a reliable source they dont publish BS and they were quoting the experts words

Armenian Economy Rated as World’s Second Worst

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/63810

here is the sources for tht Btw

[Lord Mov]

i didnt even bother responding to you since u cant even manage to read

I said send me an article where Heydar Aliyev admits Hojali was Azerbaijans fault
not some armenian BS
you keep believing Armenian propaganda while other countries keep recognizing Hojali genocide

and i said the link for Azerbaijan air force can destroy armenia and Georgia in 49mins from news.az
its a reliable source they dont publish BS and they were quoting the experts words

Armenian Economy Rated as World’s Second Worst

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/63810

here is the sources for tht Btw

Actually Armenia has higher human development index than Azerbaijan, Turkey, and Iran: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...elopment_Index

That article you posted has very little weight. But to give you some comfort, the same author wrote the same article this year, where Armenia was not in the list: http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfi...rst-economies/

For a country that is landlocked, blockaded, and not much natural resources, it is doing pretty well. There's a booming IT sector, and a lot of investments flowing into the tourism sector, and other sectors connected with human resources. the biggest asset of Armenia is it's people with a highly successful diaspora, and educated folks within the country.

[gago]

i didnt even bother responding to you since u cant even manage to read

I said send me an article where Heydar Aliyev admits Hojali was Azerbaijans fault
not some armenian BS
you keep believing Armenian propaganda while other countries keep recognizing Hojali genocide

and i said the link for Azerbaijan air force can destroy armenia and Georgia in 49mins from news.az
its a reliable source they dont publish BS and they were quoting the experts words

Armenian Economy Rated as World’s Second Worst

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/63810

here is the sources for tht Btw

Heydar Aliyev didnt say that quote, it was Mutalibov.
https://7bccbc6c-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites....attredirects=0
Heydar Aliyev on the other hand created mass graves of azeri soldiers to hide the true number of dead azeris.
http://voskanapat.info/news/font_col...011-01-19-1059
Lol, news.az is a reliable source, thats a good one. Everything coming out of azerbaijan, about Armenia, is BS. they cant even get there lies straight.
http://news.az/articles/politics/67546
They claim ASALA sent a letter threatening to murder azeri diplomats. The letter was full of claims azeris make, not Armenians. The letter says:

We still remember the genocide, which was committed by Turkish murderers late previous century – it is in Turks` nature – killing 600,000 Armenians.

turks and azeris claim 600,000, Armenians say 1.5 million

Today we are completely avenging this genocide by supporting and giving directives on PKK`s military operations.

Armenia does not support PKK, azeris and turks claim Armenia does.

While corpses of Azerbaijanis killed by us in Khojaly are rotting,

Armenia does not accept this BS

news.az was the first to publish this BS, so keep claiming they are reliable.

Edit: also what was the "experts" name? So when these experts state azerbaijan stands no chance, they are lying?

Ross Wilson, another former U.S. Ambassador to Azerbaijan (2000-2003), and Stephen Blank of the U.S. Army War College offered similar analyses during a panel discussion at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington on February 18.

Blank stressed that Ilham Aliyev is "sadly mistaken" if he believes, as he often says publicly, that Azerbaijan could successfully undertake a military operation to capture Karabakh. Blank suggested that his conclusion was based on an in-depth and recent analysis by a group of Western experts.

"Any military campaign will seriously set back Azerbaijan's interests in the region including with respect to solving this [conflict] and I say that in part because I don't think a military effort will succeed," Wilson remarked at an earlier event at Georgetown University.
"This is extremely difficult terrain, the Armenians hold the high ground and it is very, very difficult to try to take that kind of territory without truly overwhelming force" which Azerbaijan does not possess, Wilson noted.

Wayne Merry, a former State Department and Pentagon official, argued in May 2009 that in addition to the terrain and other physical limitations, Azerbaijan would be facing the Armenian military that has "a clear record of superiority in operational art [that] they would exercise in the inherently advantageous role of defenders of a skillfully prepared position."

The realities on the ground "should persuade any rational Azeri not to resort to war. Even the most favorable battlefield outcome would leave Azerbaijan immeasurably worse off than before," Merry wrote.

He warned further that "it is not out of the question that the existence of an Azeri state could hang in the balance, as in a major renewed war it might be in the combined interests of Armenia, Russia and Iran to redraw the map of the eastern Caucasus. Unlikely, but history is replete with precedents."

http://www.reporter.am/go/article/20...-by-azerbaijan
but since its not coming from the "reliable" news.az but from wikileaks then its BS, right?

[Vardan the Great]

Guys I love it when the whole world can see the true face of Azerbaijan ...
Turkey is much more clever than Azeris and it doesn't make such horrible political mistakes like they do. Instead of that they try to do their dirty job in silence...