Muslim factio Decadence. Is it a bastard and how do i stop it if it is.

[Heinz Guderian]

I get why decadence is in the game. It represents historical changes in Islamic dynasties and i appreciate it especially when i'm playing a Christian faction and think the Muslims are over-powered.

But when i'm a muslim faction what should i do to stop it. I think the process is this:

1) make war. Use your dynasty members (or king/emir?) in battles and sieges where they actually lead

2) land your dynasty members. the guys with the blood drop in the portraits. unlanded adult male dynasty members add to decadence

3) if your leader dies, imprison everyone with the blood drop in the portrait. kill them if you must

4) do ramadan and hajj to get decadence down.

Is that a fair representation of what to do? If i'm seeing this right, its the exact opposite of a Christian kingdom where you want to make your dynasty spread and be powerful. Whereas with the Muslims, you want everbody in your dynasty dead or locked up except your heir, a couple of his bros and his dog. Please correct me if i am wrong, and i am loose with my rep giving button.

Finally, in a game with Granada, i did these things and i was going ok, but then all of a sudden i am getting like +0.1% decadence a month. After looking around to see wtf was going on, i noticed a new sultanate with the same dynasty as me just risen up around Tunisia. I spent about 20 years killing those bastards off. Obviously their decadence increase/decrease is exactly the same as mine. Do i have to kill all of them off or will the increasingly distant blood relation (e.g. third and fourth cousings etc) make the decadence die off, or will it last to 1453?

Any answers to all, part or some of my questions would really be appreciated.

[Ascarona]

On your third point, doesn't that grant you the tyrant relation drop with your vassals? And does that negative bonus add up every time you imprison someone?

[Heinz Guderian]

I dont think so. You can imprison and execute a dynasty member without a vassal relation hit but it does cost piety. Dont know about stripping them of a title though.

Update, i just realised if you click the crescent moon icon for religion you can see which dynasty members are causing the decadence. Just realised this today. Which makes it easier to go get them by looking down the list. Like if you hijack a plane and look down the passenger list for Jewish names. But obviously dont do that cos its morally wrong.

[Rinan]

I usually try not to go for the maximum amount of wives possible (just make sure my prestige isn't dropping too much). Then I get my prestige up and decadence down by fighting infidels! Imprisoning your kinsmen is a good solution as well, but it always makes me feel sort of guilty.

[Heinz Guderian]

Ja ja, ever since i found that decadence panel under the religion tab, its been ok. I find it a bit of shame not being able to spread my dynasty like with Christian leaders. Whenever a new king comes about, i just kill everyone. If i really dont like a prisoner, i just let him live in my basement dungeon for the rest of his life. Occasionally i will torture him if i have the chance. So very much like real life.

[cenkiss]

My issue with decadence is that it affects you even when said family members are not in your court.I was playing with seljuks and getting like 0,20 decadence every month,i looked at it and it was because there were some unlanded males in the sultanate of rum.I can't give them land,i dan't imprison them,my country is already hugewith potential for instability,how can i sort this out?I think decadence should only affect you if those family members are in your court or your country.

[Kanaric]

I would just play CK2PLUS they nerfed decadence in good ways.