Is there a cheat to make my family members have kids?

[XxKrebsxX]

My faction summary scroll says I have 53 family members.

I went through each city and only counted 12 family members. The majority are pushing 50 and the rest in their 20s. I feel as if I'm going to lose my campaign due to no heirs. Anywhere. My family members do not die early deaths; I use recruited generals to command my legions.

What gives?

[Phalanx_Fervor]

The family member count is for both males and females and also includes those who haven't come of age. There is no cheat that I know of other than editing how many family members you start with in desc_strat. If this is an on going campaign then you may have to recruit general's as place holders.

[XxKrebsxX]

Question.

Lets pretend I have no more family members except one (Faction Leader). If he dies, the campaign ends. I lose.

However, If I have a general and my faction leader dies, as in the above scenerio, does my general become faction leader even he was never adopted?

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Question.

Lets pretend I have no more family members except one (Faction Leader). If he dies, the campaign ends. I lose.

However, If I have a general and my faction leader dies, as in the above scenerio, does my general become faction leader even he was never adopted?

I just tested that out with Sparta. Loaded all 4 family members into a bireme and suicide'd into Ptolemy navy. The recruited general in Sparta did not become leader. I lost campaign.

So....adoption!

How can I make sure a recruited general gets adopted? Is there something he has to do or? I'm thinking I'm going to run a single general unit into stacks and "auto_win attacker" every battle until they get adopted. This is lame.

[General Sultan V]

Recruit Tribunes and generals man

its simple as that

[Tar-Elendil]

There are multiple family trees, not just the one that is your FL family tree. If all of the males in your FL family tree die, and you have not more heirs to appoint, then the game will switch trees to the family member with the most influence.

As for losing the campaign because all the people in your FL family tree died, I find that hard to believe and very unlucky that the game did not transfer to another family tree. I haven't played a Spartan campaign in a good long while (I think my last was 2.1), so I do not know how much the family trees have changed and/or if you only get one family tree in that campaign.

As for adoption, you don't necessarily have to use the "auto_win" cheat to force a general to get a heroic victory to be adopted. If you have more settlements than you have family members, the game will have a random chance, every few turns, of popping up an adoption window. Usually, these will be through marriages, and therefore not be generals you have recruited prior, but rather new ones that will only "come into being" until you accept adopt. You could always decline of course.

[General Sultan V]

you can also set your faction heir in the family tree, I Usually set it to the best of the best (that is if I Check it anyways). And the youngest, or a general going on a campaign at foriegn lands, it earns some great traits

[XxKrebsxX]

There are multiple family trees, not just the one that is your FL family tree. If all of the males in your FL family tree die, and you have not more heirs to appoint, then the game will switch trees to the family member with the most influence.

As for losing the campaign because all the people in your FL family tree died, I find that hard to believe and very unlucky that the game did not transfer to another family tree. I haven't played a Spartan campaign in a good long while (I think my last was 2.1), so I do not know how much the family trees have changed and/or if you only get one family tree in that campaign.

As for adoption, you don't necessarily have to use the "auto_win" cheat to force a general to get a heroic victory to be adopted. If you have more settlements than you have family members, the game will have a random chance, every few turns, of popping up an adoption window. Usually, these will be through marriages, and therefore not be generals you have recruited prior, but rather new ones that will only "come into being" until you accept adopt. You could always decline of course.

Thanks for the replies, guys.

I'm using Rome, Tar. I referenced the Sparta as a test run. I killed all four family members while having a recruited general in Sparta. The game didn't transfer to the recruited general; instead, it game me the "Your Nation Has Been Destroyed" scroll.

As far as other family trees, the 12 I counted in my cities are not from the ruling family. As a matter of fact, I only have two members from the ruling family. The leader and successor which are both in Rome. The leader is in his 60s, so he's going to die soon.

That leaves 10 family members (Not related to the ruling family) of age across cities.

I don't know if I'm overreacting or what but the year is 671 A.U.C

[Phalanx_Fervor]

OK. Every marriage (or man when adopting) can produce a max of 4 family members from my experience. Like elendil said, you do not have to cheat to gain an adoption, but if all your marriages and 16 year old + males have 4 or more under them it will not happen. Yes if all your family members happen to die in one fell swoop, you will undoubtedly lose (I use this tactic with assassins to get rid of factions when I dont want to expand anymore). However, the likeliness of this happening due to aging family members is slim to none because when you lose your ONLY potential heir, and survive the turn, you're guaranteed an adoption scroll to pop up. The only time I've ever experienced this was playing as Rome, unmodded. It doesn't happen often.

Point is that its not going to kill your campaign and you have nothing to worry about. Also as Elendil said, when you've got ungoverned settlements your characters marry and have kids much more often (yet again, my experience). You may lose the "special" family names (eg. scipio, of sparta) but you will undoubtedly never lose due to them all dying of old age. The only worry would be other faction's assassins and they are about as worry-some as flesh eating bunnies.

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I've also experienced that you're more likely to get a potential adoption from armies being lead by no named character, such as "general gauis" or something. Win a couple of heroics with him and you might be able to adopt. RTW makes it very hard to lose as the player because of not enough family members. I'd be more worried about the blood thirsty cimbri or flesh eating bunnies.

[XxKrebsxX]

OK. Every marriage (or man when adopting) can produce a max of 4 family members from my experience. Like elendil said, you do not have to cheat to gain an adoption, but if all your marriages and 16 year old + males have 4 or more under them it will not happen. Yes if all your family members happen to die in one fell swoop, you will undoubtedly lose (I use this tactic with assassins to get rid of factions when I dont want to expand anymore). However, the likeliness of this happening due to aging family members is slim to none because when you lose your ONLY potential heir, and survive the turn, you're guaranteed an adoption scroll to pop up. The only time I've ever experienced this was playing as Rome, unmodded. It doesn't happen often.

Point is that its not going to kill your campaign and you have nothing to worry about. Also as Elendil said, when you've got ungoverned settlements your characters marry and have kids much more often (yet again, my experience). You may lose the "special" family names (eg. scipio, of sparta) but you will undoubtedly never lose due to them all dying of old age. The only worry would be other faction's assassins and they are about as worry-some as flesh eating bunnies.

Got ya, thanks.

Ironically, the Scipios are still around in North Africa ever since Africanus took Carthage. Got two of em in their twenties.

On a side note, can someone explain the Proconsuls?

I have the charts that tell me which settlements trigger the proconsulships. But Besides Corsica et Sardinia, Africa Proconsularis, and the Numidia et Mauritania, none of the other settlements which have a governor trigger the proconsulships.

For example, in Athens, I have had the same governor ruling for 20+ years yet he has never become the Propraetor Achaea.

[Phalanx_Fervor]

You must own all of the following settlements to get that: Korinthos, Chalkis, Thebes, Pharsalus, Sparte, Argos, Olympia, and Thermos... plus Athenai.

[Tar-Elendil]

If you sent all the characters with the family member trait in the ships and killed them off, then yes, of course you lose the campaign because you just wiped out the all living males from all of the family trees. If you just exterminated the FM's then, it would transfer to another one of the Patrician families when playing Rome (the one with the highest influence). Unfortunately the game does not factor in sons that are not yet of age, and so that is why you probably lost.

For the consulship ancillaries, check the export_descr_ancillaries.txt in the data folder and look at the triggers. Some ancillaries have requirements more than simply being the governor. That being said no governor can have more than 8 ancillaries total. So even if a governor meets the requirements and spends fifty years in a region, he will never get that ancillary if all the spaces are filled up. What you can do is move some of the less important ancillaries to a bad general by simply dragging them.

@Phalanx, the flesh-eating bunnies are honestly a bigger threat than taking all of your family member into a bireme and send them off a-pirate hunting. I Honestly don't know why anyone would do that seriously

[Phalanx_Fervor]

Plus you need to have an "Imperator" Faction leader...

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@Phalanx, the flesh-eating bunnies are honestly a bigger threat than taking all of your family member into a bireme and send them off a-pirate hunting. I Honestly don't know why anyone would do that seriously

Well if your family members breed flesh eating bunnies and hunt pirates for sport, it seems only logical why they are at the bottom of the sea. Makes sense to me...

[ur-Lord Tedric]

1 - Give your Governors/Characters a Greek Physician to help with Fertility - there have been periods when I haven't recruited a character for years there've been so many sons......

2 - In order to gain the Provincial Propraetor positions the Governor must also be a Senator (so restricted to a sub-set of the Patrician class).

[Tar-Elendil]

That's right, I forgot that only Patricians can become senators. However, in most of my campaigns, I find my Patricians are eventually reduced to only a couple of old fogeys in Corsica and Sardinia.

[XxKrebsxX]

1 - Give your Governors/Characters a Greek Physician to help with Fertility - there have been periods when I haven't recruited a character for years there've been so many sons......

2 - In order to gain the Provincial Propraetor positions the Governor must also be a Senator (so restricted to a sub-set of the Patrician class).

Ah, ok. That makes sense. All my senators are old fogeys like Tar mentioned.

I'm a dunce, Lord. Could anyone give me the cheat to add that Greek Physician trait to my characters?

[Curmudgeon]

"Is there a cheat to make my family members have kids?"

Use the console:

givetrait "FAMILY MEMBERS_NAME" Fertile 3
givetrait "FAMILY MEMBERS_NAME" HealthyWife 1

If the wife is old there is no point in doing this.
And Roman Faction names are a pain to get right.
You have to go through a process of elimination based on the Names.txt file.

[Phalanx_Fervor]

"Is there a cheat to make my family members have kids?"

Use the console:

givetrait "FAMILY MEMBERS_NAME" Fertile 3
givetrait "FAMILY MEMBERS_NAME" HealthyWife 1

If the wife is old there is no point in doing this.
And Roman Faction names are a pain to get right.
You have to go through a process of elimination based on the Names.txt file.

This certainly helps but still doesn't guarantee anything unfortunately.

[Curmudgeon]

"give me the cheat to add that Greek Physician trait to my characters" (actually that's an ancillary)

Check the file export_descr_ancillaries.txt for ancillaries that will improve fertility. For example for the Romans:
giveancillary "FAMILY MEMBERS_NAME" doctor

This, like the suggestion I made above, does guarantee an increase in fertility.
I realize that there is no cheat to instantly give a family member children, but a simple "No" answer to XxKrebsxX's question didn't seem particularly helpful.