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    I understand it as that Hellheaven really want to see signs of the revival of mercenaries, so I'll put in some historical stuff from the West Virginia Coal Wars and the Battle of Blair mountain. There we got some proper private security doing military work.

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    The Battle of Blair Mountain was one of the largest civil uprisings in United States history and the largest armed rebellion since the American Civil War.[1] For five days in late August and early September 1921, in Logan County, West Virginia, some 10,000 armed coal miners confronted 3,000 lawmen and strikebreakers, called the Logan Defenders,[2]who were backed by coal mine operators during an attempt by the miners to unionize the southwestern West Virginia coalfields. The battle ended after approximately one million rounds were fired,[3] and the United States Army intervened by presidential order.

    Miners displaying one of the bombs dropped by private planes.


    At a rally on August 7, Mary Harris "Mother" Jones called on the miners not to march into Logan and Mingo counties and set up the union by force. Accused by some of losing her nerve, she rightly feared a bloodbath in a battle between lightly armed union forces and the more heavily armed deputies from Logan County. Yet, feeling they had been lied to again by West Virginia's Governor Morgan, armed men began gathering at Lens Creek Mountain, near Marmet in Kanawha County on August 20, where four days later up to 13,000 had gathered and began marching towards Logan County. Impatient to get to the fighting, miners near St. Albans, in West Virginia's Kanawha County, commandeered a Chesapeake and Ohio freight train, renamed by the miners as the 'Blue Steel Special', to meet up with the advanced column of marchers at Danville in Boone County on their way to Bloody Mingo. During this time, Keeney and Mooney Fled to Ohio, while the fiery leader Bill Blizzard assumed quasi-leadership of the miners. Meanwhile, the reviled and anti-union Sheriff of Logan County, Don Chafin (1887–1954),[34] had begun to set up defenses on Blair Mountain. Chafin was supported financially by the Logan County Coal Operators Association, creating the nation's largest private armed force of nearly 2,000.
    The first skirmishes occurred on the morning of August 25. The bulk of the miners were still 15 mi (24 km) away. The following day, President Warren Harding threatened to send in federal troops and Army Martin MB-1 bombers. After a long meeting in the town of Madison, the seat of Boone County, agreements were made convincing the miners to return home. However, the struggle was far from over. After spending days to assemble his private army, Chafin was not going to be denied his battle to end union attempts at organizing Logan County coal mines. Within hours of the Madison decision, reports came in that Sheriff Chafin's men were deliberately shooting union sympathizers in the town of Sharples, West Virginia, just north of Blair Mountain—and that families had been caught in crossfire during the skirmishes. Infuriated, the miners turned back towards Blair Mountain, many traveling in other stolen and commandeered trains.




    By August 29, battle was fully joined. Chafin's men, though outnumbered, had the advantage of higher positions and better weaponry. Private planes were hired to drop homemade bombs on the miners. A combination of gas and explosive bombs left over from the fighting in World War I were dropped in several locations near the towns of Jeffery, Sharples and Blair. At least one did not explode and was recovered by the miners; it was used months later to great effect during treason and murder trials following the battle. On orders from the famous General Billy Mitchell, Army bombers from Maryland were also used for aerial surveillance, a rare example of air power being used by the federal government against US citizens. One Martin bomber crashed on the return flight, killing the three members of the crew.[35][36] Sporadic gun battles continued for a week, with the miners at one time nearly breaking through to the town of Logan and their target destinations, the non-unionized counties to the south, Logan and Mingo. Up to 30 deaths were reported by Chafin’s side and 50-100 on the union miners' side, with many hundreds more injured. By September 2, federal troops had arrived. Realizing he would lose a lot of good miners if the battle continued with the military, union leader Bill Blizzard passed the word for the miners to start heading home the following day. Miners fearing jail and confiscation of their guns found clever ways to hide rifles and hand guns in the woods before leaving Logan County. Collectors and researchers to this day are still finding weapons and ammunition embedded in old trees and in rock crevices. Thousands of spent and live cartridges have made it into private collections.

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    G4S is an army!? oh please don't make me laugh look at what they did for the olympics.................

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexanderswift View Post
    Citizens aren't worth billions of dollars, and they do move heaven and earth for other companies that bring in similar amounts. PMCs are useful for a variety of tasks that the military are not suited/necessary for, the numbers are a bit astonishing but as others have said most of those employees are making deliveries and looking tough in shopping malls.
    I saw PMCs that went to jail in a hostile middle eastern location, when the PMCs were *totally* in the wrong for doing a bit of moonlighting with guns in said location, and they were extracted from prison without charge by their home governments to go back to working in Iraq. That's how important they were.

    Can you tell me ANY citizen anywhere that would have that level of government pull? Let's say it was a KBR employee who was running around with an illegal weapon in a merc op in another location (not Iraq) do you think that the government would move heaven and earth to get them back like that? Do you think if you went running around in battle fatigues with automatic weapons in say, Dubai (not the location but using a hypoethetical), and got arrested, your government would get you out? I doubt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The excited one View Post
    G4S is an army!? oh please don't make me laugh look at what they did for the olympics.................

    (laughing madly for a short while.)
    and they have MBT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    and they have MBT

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    There where more than 100,000 Mercenaries in Iraq http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private...vities_in_Iraq

    So it has already arrived. G4S (or Group 4 Security) are however a bunch of blathering incompetents, not slightly bats arse guys in army surplus gear.

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    Those aren't mercenaries. Most are cooks, truck drivers, maintenance personnel and the like.

    Actually that number is everyone under government contract in Iraq. You do know that includes mostly Iraqis who are hired to clean streets, build things, and various other work.

    Calling them mercenaries is like calling the administrative civilians that work for the DOD (or British MOD) soldiers.
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    Technically speaking, they are civilian contractors who don't have money. But what they do have are a very particular set of skills; skills they have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make them a nightmare for people like that.
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    I don't think we'll see PMC doing heavy combat roles anytime soon......they may be cost effective in some areas but personally I'd never trust a private force to do the fighting for me

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    By the way, are privately owned armed forces allowed in most nations? I thought state controls the armed forces of a nation, and there are separate departments just for this purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Maximus View Post
    By the way, are privately owned armed forces allowed in most nations? I thought state controls the armed forces of a nation, and there are separate departments just for this purpose.
    They are technically security service companies, PMC is just a informality

    Your mall cops "technically" are the same thing.....

    Nations don't hire them as front line troops no......generally just as security guards, transportation, etc....

    Stuff that frees up regular troops for more pressing jobs

    Not to say PMC employees don't get into their fair share of scraps, though it's not really what they're paid to do....
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    Oh, thanks for telling me. I understand it now.

    We have got Home Guard Police force in my country. They do smaller jobs to provide help to police. This includes all the cooking work for police mess, becoming drivers and home-servants to police officers, and providing the night patrol in their local city. Another good thing is, they are made entirely of paid volunteers, so they also provide employment.

    I forgot the name, it is run by some rich organization which gets the money partly from government and partly from it's owner and founder.

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