Diadochi OOC Thread

[Nikephoros Kapatsos]

YES! Yes, Menes is back! Were saved!

[Confederate Jeb]

as what you are doing does violate the Treaty of Babylon

Just curious, how exactly would Leonnatus asking Bithynia to join him break a treaty that has no mention of such circumstances?

[Aetius]

Lysimachus is interpreting it in a way that is favorable to him, just as Leonnatus is. Nowhere in the Treaty does it say Leonnatus can't have Bithynia, but nowhere does it say you Leonnatus can.

Leonnatus shall receive governance over: Phrygia, Kilikia, Lykia, and Karia

[Confederate Jeb]

I thought this was the case, I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything.

Glad we finally have something to stir the pot with a bit, though Leonnatus would still like the status quo (albeit with his situation improved with Bithynia) to continue. Nobody wants to be the first successor after all.

[Rebel Jeb]

Anyone want to rp as Sparta?

[cfmonkey45]

Anyone want to rp as Sparta?

I could. Though, up front, Sparta is completely neutral. They can't sustain any long distance operations for fear of Helot revolt. They also prefer isolation, which would limit any diplomatic options. I'll also get to putting up the casualties tonight. My brother came back from San Diego and we had some family time.

[Rebel Jeb]

How am I supposed to win this war then?

What are the benefits of blockading and how does that all work out?

[Aetius]

Well Athens is actually able to be starved out now, Athens earns half as much money. This doesn't really affect NPCs though

[Rebel Jeb]

So I can starve them out with just a navy? But then they can just sally forth and do... what?

[Aetius]

Coastal cities can only be starved out with a naval blockade AND troops sieging the city from the landward side, that is in rules.

[Confederate Jeb]

How would piracy work? For example if I wished to take some of my lighter ships and raid the coastline of Achaea and/or attack their trade ships?

[Fight!]

Counting the turns by years BC is a tad confusing, on occasion, for a bystander like me.

Classy though.

[Confederate Jeb]

I'm so stupid. I forgot that Olympias didn't have her own page because she was in Epirus.

[NotYetRegistered]

Were the terms I asked for as Bithynia too light?

Also, could I just install Orontes as lord of Colchis instead of Armenia, after the war is over? I don't think I'll be able to get him on the Armenian throne again, and he will probably be as unpopular in Colchis as he is in Armenia now, anyway.

[cfmonkey45]

Were the terms I asked for as Bithynia too light?

Yes. IRL, Bithynia was fiercely opposed to Macedonian rule, and the Bithynians routed a Macedonian army sent to conquer it. Alexander was impressed with their ferocity and agreed to leave them alone.

Also, could I just install Orontes as lord of Colchis instead of Armenia, after the war is over? I don't think I'll be able to get him on the Armenian throne again, and he will probably be as unpopular in Colchis as he is in Armenia now, anyway.

Orontes is a pawn who is only useful for Armenia. Installing him in Georgia will only annoy the Georgians.

[Confederate Jeb]

OOC: IRL, Antigonus (who had your territories) failed to help Eumenes conquer Cappadocia. As a result Perdiccas took action against him, but he formed an alliance with Antipater, Craterus, and Ptolemy and marched against Perdiccas. Perdiccas was later betrayed by Peithon, Antigenes, and Seleucus, and a new treaty was formed.


Also, dude, how come you get free provinces when the rest of us had to conquer ours?

I tried diplomacy first, is that such a bad thing? Considering I normally am willing to give up a lot to keep the peace it normally works out in the advantage of whoever I'm dealing with.

So is Leonnatus now expected to pay everything to Bithynia and get nothing in return? That won't go over well...

[NotYetRegistered]

Yes. IRL, Bithynia was fiercely opposed to Macedonian rule, and the Bithynians routed a Macedonian army sent to conquer it. Alexander was impressed with their ferocity and agreed to leave them alone.

Well, that's true, but Leonnatus has to pay 2000 talents to get three quarters of the Bithynian army and then 800 talents more to get it all. Then he has to pay upkeep and marry a kid of his to the Bithynians. And even then, Zipoetes can decide wether he wants to have his force stay in Bithynia and let Leonnatus be screwed. They could just break away at any moment if the agreement doesn't suit them anymore, even if it would invoke Leonnatus' wrath. It's a relatively good deal, imo.

And I thought at this point it was either that or getting invaded, in Zipoetes point of view. The same happened to Cappadocia and Armenia. The Bithynians were the only ones to have gotten the choice of diplomatic, semi-submission. And yeah, there was a civil war brewing up with Leonnatus not invading Cappadocia as was instructed, and he wouldn't have been able to invade Bithynia with you going after him, but Zipoetes didn't know that.

Besides that, how large was the Macedonian force that had invaded Bithynia?

Also, what happened to the Seleucid-Sarmatian battle? Why was that suddenly cancelled?

[cfmonkey45]

Well, that's true, but Leonnatus has to pay 2000 talents to get three quarters of the Bithynian army and then 800 talents more to get it all. Then he has to pay upkeep and marry a kid of his to the Bithynians. And even then, Zipoetes can decide wether he wants to have his force stay in Bithynia and let Leonnatus be screwed. They could just break away at any moment if the agreement doesn't suit them anymore, even if it would invoke Leonnatus' wrath. It's a relatively good deal, imo.

And I thought at this point it was either that or getting invaded, in Zipoetes point of view. The same happened to Cappadocia and Armenia. The Bithynians were the only ones to have gotten the choice of diplomatic, semi-submission. And yeah, there was a civil war brewing up with Leonnatus not invading Cappadocia as was instructed, and he wouldn't have been able to invade Bithynia with you going after him, but Zipoetes didn't know that.

Besides that, how large was the Macedonian force that had invaded Bithynia?

Also, what happened to the Seleucid-Sarmatian battle? Why was that suddenly cancelled?

Well Khusos left and Martin616 quit, so no point in beating a dead horse.

[Confederate Jeb]

How come I'm at fault regarding Eumenes not even bothering to speak to Leonnatus, let alone start the invasion at the beginning of the game? I expected us to invade Cappadocia almost immediately, and then I'm stuck training levies when he does decide to invade. I'm actually fine with all the reasoning, considering this is about politics and I fully expected Perdiccas to support Lysmachus his ally, who has the larger army as well, over Leonnatus who is constantly competing with Perdiccas over things. But the fact that I'm getting screwed IC for not wanting to help create a massively one sided war OOC (something that has always been frowned upon, excluding the NA British Empire clusterbomb o'fun) is very irksome.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I still need my bonus for the turn or whatever.

[Holger Danske]

As do I... xD