[Amendment] CdeC Long Service Medal change

[M D]

Proposer: Major Darling

Supporters: Leonidas the Lion, Okmin and Dark Storm

As some have said, to get the top level of the CdeC Long term service medal, one must complete 6 years of service. While some members have been here that long, it is hardly regular at all. To be even in the public favour and be elected for that length of time is almost Kim Jong Il like All other long service medals are capped at three years, which is suitable and highlights long term service to the site. I am therefore re-proposing an amendment which very narrowly failed last time it came up. Some think it was due to the CVRIAL inactivity and I am inclined to agree, this is a chance for the Constitution to be tightened up and properly equal. Anyway, ONWARDS!

Section V, Article II. Community Awards (CdeC)

The Consilium de Civitate Service Medal is awarded to former members of the Consilium at the discretion of the Curator. The bronze medal is given for two completed terms as a member of the Consilium de Civitate; the silver medal is given for four completed terms; and the gold medal is given for six completed terms; the emerald medal for 12 8 completed terms; the ruby for 18 10 completed terms; and the amethyst medal for 24 12 or more completed terms. The Curator is only eligible if he served the sufficient number of completed terms outside his capacity as Curator. These medals shall be awarded to all those who qualify, past and present.

[Leonidas The Lion]

Support and all that stuff. I'm tempted to hear opposing arguments, are there people out there that want 6 years of CdeC service? Perhaps.

[M D]

Maybe Kim Jong Il will make an appearance

[Dark Storm]

Support.

[Okmin]

Support.

[Ishan]

Personally i don't see why CdeC medals should have that many levels so I will support it when 2 additional levels are totally dropped from it. One more level after gold and that will be for completing 8 or 10 terms & that's only because we have 1-2 users who have actually spent that much amount of time in CdeC.

[Søren]

Oppose as gold, silver, bronze > purple, red, green, so people never reaching them is a good thing. Amethyst is only a semi-precious gemstone, so not sure how it ended up being at the pinnacle.

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Personally i don't see why CdeC medals should have that many levels so I will support it when 2 additional levels are totally dropped from it. One more level after gold and that will be for completing 8 or 10 terms & that's only because we have 1-2 users who have actually spent that much amount of time in CdeC.

Agreed. Diamond would be good, as it would be instantly clear that it was more valuable than the other 3, unlike the current confusing system we have now.

[Raritу]

Support. I have no idea why it requires 6 other completed terms, as one and a half year of service to change from gold to emerald.

[StealthFox]

Oppose as gold, silver, bronze > purple, red, green, so people never reaching them is a good thing. Amethyst is only a semi-precious gemstone, so not sure how it ended up being at the pinnacle.

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Agreed. Diamond would be good, as it would be instantly clear that it was more valuable than the other 3, unlike the current confusing system we have now.

This makes sense to me too. I've always wondered why the system is not like this rather than the way it is. Keeping in line with precious metals instead of jewels we could have bronze < silver < gold < platinum. I guess that is an entirely different amendment though and would require changing all other curial medals for consistency sake.

I would much rather see the above, but on this specific amendment, I agree that the times are too long, and I would support this if it came to vote.

Also, here is the old debate thread if anyone is interested:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=532334

[m_1512]

Support, like the last time.

[Leonidas The Lion]

Oppose as gold, silver, bronze > purple, red, green, so people never reaching them is a good thing. Amethyst is only a semi-precious gemstone, so not sure how it ended up being at the pinnacle.

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Agreed. Diamond would be good, as it would be instantly clear that it was more valuable than the other 3, unlike the current confusing system we have now.

Opposing simply because you don't like the entire system doesn't make sense to me, if you want it changed then propose something, this proposal is so that all the time limits are uniform across the board.

[Aikanár]

Personally i don't see why CdeC medals should have that many levels so I will support it when 2 additional levels are totally dropped from it. One more level after gold and that will be for completing 8 or 10 terms & that's only because we have 1-2 users who have actually spent that much amount of time in CdeC.

*signed*

[Leonidas The Lion]

Personally i don't see why CdeC medals should have that many levels so I will support it when 2 additional levels are totally dropped from it. One more level after gold and that will be for completing 8 or 10 terms & that's only because we have 1-2 users who have actually spent that much amount of time in CdeC.

Hijacking this proposal to push through something you like isn't very cool, if you don't like the current system then propose something different but don't oppose so that the current system stays the same just cause you can't be assed.

[Navajo Joe]

Support

[Ybbon]

Support. The length just needs to be rationalised with other service medals.

As a first time CdeC member, if I win the next 23 re-elections I will qualify for an Amethyst. Which puts it in perspective.

[Aikanár]

Support. The length just needs to be rationalised with other service medals.

Uhm, what other service medals are you referring to?
Staff service medals? Those are granted for services rendered, not for time idled.
The CdeC service medal is, as far as I can see, the only one not issued for contributions, but simply for being elected regardless of the fact whether or not somebody might have performed or not or in which way.
They are simply not comparable.

In general:
As mentioned in the last proposal, I don't see any need for 6 CdeC service medals, nor do I see the need to reduce the timestaps.
But I do like Ishans proposition of condensing the three high tier medals into one.

This Proposal:
I oppose.

[Leonidas The Lion]

Uhm, what other service medals are you referring to?
Staff service medals? Those are granted for services rendered, not for time idled.
The CdeC service medal is, as far as I can see, the only one not issued for contributions, but simply for being elected regardless of the fact whether or not somebody might have performed or not or in which way.
They are simply not comparable.

The other staff medals are also time based regardless of how much work you do, granted if you do no work you will be removed however the same applies to the CdeC so this point is invalid. Also I'm glad you take pride in being a sadomasichist that enjoys people to serve 6 years of their actual life on CdeC.

[Aikanár]

The other staff medals are also time based regardless of how much work you do, granted if you do no work you will be removed

That's the point, you will be removed.

however the same applies to the CdeC so this point is invalid.

Not really! You will only get removed if the Curator takes notice of you doing absolutely nothing and if the Councillor has not notifyed the Curator and his peers of his absence.
There are enough examples of Councillors only scarcely voting and never posting and still not being removed. Some of these Councillors even tend to either not read processes in which they cast a vote or tend to forget about them.

Therefore, no this is not invalid. It may not be that easy to be elected, granted, but it can be very easy to finish a term once one get elected regardless of the contributions rendered while the term lasts.

[Leonidas The Lion]

There are enough examples of Councillors only scarcely voting and never posting and still not being removed. Some of these Councillors even tend to either not read processes in which they cast a vote or tend to forget about them.

I'm going to take that as a stab at me yet again but that cool the moment somebody disagrees in this place you find a way to take pot shots at them.

[jimkatalanos]

The other staff medals are also time based regardless of how much work you do, granted if you do no work you will be removed however the same applies to the CdeC so this point is invalid. Also I'm glad you take pride in being a sadomasichist that enjoys people to serve 6 years of their actual life on CdeC.

They are awarded at the discretion of the relevant manager.
For example, iirc I was awarded the silver mace in my 4th month as moderator, not for time served but for my services moderating the ETW forums.
So the amount of work that you do is relevant, I always consult with the director of a publication before awarding a quill.