The Gun Debate That Will Happen Whether You Like It Or Not

[Mithridate]

Only seen you state "Muslims aren't a race" four times now. Please point to specific posts.
*Snipping attempt at humor*

You impress me good sir

Have a beer, it may help you recover your wits

[Whukid]

He associated Muslims with race. Muslims are not a race. This is something like three times I've had to state this. This is getting like-

It appears that I associated being a bigot with the stereotypes thrust at those who don't wish to become a servant of the state.

[Markas]

Only seen you state "Muslims aren't a race" four times now. Please point to specific posts.

Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see
It's getting hard to be someone
But it all works out
It doesn't matter much to me
Let me take you down
'cos I'm going to Strawberry Fields

Strawberry Fields Forever - The Beatles

God almighty. I feel like Basil Fawlty explaining things to Manuel. AGAIN-

...and therefore all muslims have a burning desire to blow themselves up for allah, right?


Gun rights advocates are clearly the racists..

Again, he associated Muslims with race in a very curious (and factually erroneous) attempt to bring race into it. I can post this again if you wish as you appear not be paying attention.

[Ummagumma]

Totally heartless of me to point out that without any gun control laws, Arlington, Virginia had 0 murders in 2011 while DC with it's infamous gun ban had almost 150..

My apologies then. With the words you used, in the order you placed them, it looked like you were saying that murder was a crime you would prefer compared to burglary etc.

Way ahead of you

Tho, ive run out of Jagermeister

Rémy Martin VSOP.

[Mithridate]

Rémy Martin VSOP.

Damn youre fancy, im down to... Swedish Elk Brew

[IlluminatiRex]

God almighty. I feel like Basil Fawlty explaining things to Manuel. AGAIN-



Again, he associated Muslims with race in a very curious (and factually erroneous) attempt to bring race into it. I can post this again if you wish as you appear not be paying attention.

That's not even close to saying Muslim is a race. He was referring to all followers of Islam. Good job misunderstanding English.

You impress me good sir

Have a beer, it may help you recover your wits

Sorry, underage.



Lyrics to Fixing a Hole fit both sides of this debate.

I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in 
And stops my mind from wandering 
Where it will go 

I'm filling the cracks that ran through the door 
And kept my mind from wandering 
Where it will go 

And it really doesn't matter if I'm wrong I'm right 
Where I belong I'm right 
Where I belong. 

See the people standing there who disagree and never win 
And wonder why they don't get in my door 
I'm painting my room in the colourful way 

And when my mind is wandering 
There I will go 
And it really doesn't matter if I'm wrong I'm right 
Where I belong I'm right 
Where I belong. 

Silly people run around they worry me 
And never ask me why they don't get past my door 
I'm taking the time for a number of things 
That weren't important yesterday 
And I still go 

I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in 
And stops my mind from wandering 
Where it will go

[Whukid]

[Mithridate]

Sorry, underage.

16 and unable to drink? Thats... rare regardless of western country

Well, have one on me when ur 18 then, a shot if u manage to wait until 20-21
But dont do fags, Doing fags are bad... Gay is win tho

[Markas]

That's not even close to saying Muslim is a race. He was referring to all followers of Islam.

What? So the second statement of 'Gun rights advocates are clearly the racists..' was what? A separate musing? Not in the least associated with his statement above it that reads '...and therefore all muslims have a burning desire to blow themselves up for allah, right?'

He associated Muslims with race. I pointed out they were not a race. You asked when he did that. I gave the quote again. Still it was not enough for you. This grows very tiresome.

Good job misunderstanding English.

Seriously?

[Gelgoog]

Yes, I only have a degree, and I bow to your superior grasp of statistical analysis. I would support your endeavour to join the also woefully lacking teams of professional statisticians that have wasted vast amounts of time and resources in generating the same conclusions as I did. No doubt your substantial post-graduate education will ensure you are taken seriously in such a position.

degree in art history?

Please show me a criminologist who supports your position besides hemenway/ludwig which have already been debunked. The source must be peer reviewed an not from the brady bunch. And please stop sourcing crap comparing the US to other countries without first accounting for spuriousness (3rd party variables).

So paranoia is reasonable? And, I have no health insurance. I don't need any. Got to love the NHS.

Why do you need government mandated healthcare are you paranoid of getting sick or injured?

Again, I bow to your infinitely superior grasp of statistics, and look forward to your upcoming publications that shall, beyond doubt, prove to the world that you are right and all the others are wrong.

I don't care about proving jack squat to the world. Only proving that those who are anti-gun in this thread are wrong, which myself and others have been doing quite successfully.

And I'm the one with problems of statistical analysis? Okay. I'm less enthusiastic about reading your paper now.

Several people have that problem in here, but you seem to be at the head of the line.

[IlluminatiRex]

What? So the second statement of 'Gun rights advocates are clearly the racists..' was what? A separate musing? Not in the least associated with his statement above it that reads '...and therefore all muslims have a burning desire to blow themselves up for allah, right?'

He associated Muslims with race. I pointed out they were not a race. You asked when he did that. I gave the quote again. Still it was not enough for you. This grows very tiresome.



Seriously?

It was a subtle poke at what you and many others have said throughout this entire discussion. You really thought he was serious?

[Markas]

It was a subtle poke at what you and many others have said throughout this entire discussion. You really thought he was serious?

Your continued hectoring and constant lack of understanding I certainly took seriously.

I trust you have now finally understood the post in question and we can move on.

[IlluminatiRex]

I don't understand how you can so erroneously mix up referencing followers of Islam with race.

[Mithridate]

I don't understand how you can so erroneously mix up referencing followers of Islam with race.

Its alarmingly commonly done unfortunately, and Im pretty certain he was not joking...

That not even being remotely based on his love for extreme jumps in logic ( when even applied )

[Ummagumma]

degree in art history?

Not exactly. My BA & MA did cover art history though, as you'd expect. My BSc involved statistics, and data analysis.

Please show me a criminologist who supports your position besides hemenway/ludwig which have already been debunked. The source must be peer reviewed an not from the brady bunch. And please stop sourcing crap comparing the US to other countries without first accounting for spuriousness (3rd party variables).

Sorry, is the UNODC the Brady Bunch? Oh well. Again I must bow to your superior statistical knowledge.

Why do you need government mandated healthcare are you paranoid of getting sick or injured?

3 card Monty.

I don't care about proving jack squat to the world. Only proving that those who are anti-gun in this thread are wrong, which myself and others have been doing quite successfully.

I'm anti gun? Okay. I've been saying all along the the usual arguments and statistical wriggling are inconclusive at best. If having less guns was categorically safer, then those countries without guns would be safer. Or vice versa. But, they are not. There are 'safe' countries, with and without guns. There are violent places with or without guns. I hope that clears it up?

Several people have that problem in here, but you seem to be at the head of the line.

I love you too, sweetness.

[Whukid]

That not even being remotely based on his love for extreme jumps in logic ( when even applied )

we're still waiting for your statistics, sources, and credentials which would warrant your mundane opinion concerning "high capacity" magazines.

[The spartan]

Quite a few but what does that matter? Are poor people or people who know their attacker not allowed to defend themselves?

Of course not, but I am guess the vast majority of people who buy assault rifles to "protect themselves" are at very low risk for being attacked in their home. My point is this mentality is either hypocrisy or paranoia, take your pick.

[IlluminatiRex]

Oh crap, FPSRussia member Keith Ratcliff was killed with a gunshot to the head. What if Kyle went mad? D:

[Whukid]

Of course not, but I am guess the vast majority of people who buy assault rifles to "protect themselves" are at very low risk for being attacked in their home. My point is this mentality is either hypocrisy or paranoia, take your pick.

So then we should outlaw sprinkler systems and ban people from buying Conex containers and turning them into underground bunkers...?

[motiv-8]

So then we should outlaw sprinkler systems and ban people from buying Conex containers and turning them into underground bunkers...?

Why do you continue to rely on red herrings to support your position? You make the rest of us who want to enjoy gun ownership rights look absolutely terrible. Please, for all our sake's, stop. None of us want you as the posterboy for our rights.