Yes, I'm back to writing. Well, I guess I'm back to ranting. Honestly, over the last several years I have become bored with debating or even discussing most topics. In my early TWC years, I was highly active in the Political Mudpit, but now I rarely venture there because most every argument that can be made has already been made. The EMM used to interest me when I was more interested in my spirituality and spirituality in general, but I find most of the discussions to be simple rehashes of topics that have been debated to death for years. Broken records sound fine until they start repeating the same part of a song over and over again. The same goes for debates, no matter how heated they can get. So, I generally no longer waste my time arguing about the big political or religious issues that today's society, and especially the media, seem so attached to. Instead, I now find myself taking notice of people themselves. I am curious about why they act the way they do and believe what they do. That's what is really important to me. Everyone has beliefs and they can debate them all day long, but I want to understand what's behind the belief. The "why" has become more important to me than the "what". So, with my new rant I have focused on an already oft-chastised subculture: hipsters. Why? Well, read on!
Throughout history, there have been many groups of people of many different ethnicities, races, and cultures that have been oppressed, exploited, humiliated, and hated for various reasons, often reasons that are simply not true. However, I wish to express true reasons for me to loathe one of today's most prevalent and most confusing subcultures. They purposefully try not to be labelled, straying from "consumerist" clothing, and yet in their feeble attempts they only succeed in becoming a label themselves. This group was cool before it was cool. I'm of course talking about hipsters. With the rise of the number of hipsters of recent, I'm sure the number of hipster TWC members has also grown, especially as the individual gets older, more specifically in high school and college. Hopefully, for those of you who have given into the pressure of being ironic, you will one day learn to simply be a man, or a woman for the few of you there are on TWC, and break away from your unbearably tight jeans and thick, black-rimmed glasses.
"But why all of this hate, Lord Rahl?" you ask? Well, last night I was texting a fellow TWC member, vizi (previously known as viz and vizigothe, and someone I've yet to meet but I've known him for a long time because of TWC and we keep in regular contact), about beer (What a shock, right?) and he made a complaint about there being "too many skinny jeans". Immediately, I knew what he was speaking of: hipsters. This brought about more texts back and forth over the course of about two hours of us complaining about hipsters. After reading through the texts, I realized I had much more animosity towards hipsters than I realized. Why? I've got some ideas. It's a bit personal but I believe there are some very rational and reasonable reasons why I have come to dislike the subculture that is neither hip, hippie, or really cool in any way. Ranting on this also affords me the chance to alleviate some steam on a multitude of issues that I can always fill someone's ear on. Hipsters just so happen to contain within their culture many attributes that I can't stand. Now, let the ranting begin (or continue)!
How these became "cool" is beyond me.
I mentioned "unbearably tight jeans" before and that will be the first topic up for discussion. Skinny jeans are something that can be used to immediately and easily identify a hipster. I wonder how people can wear them. Women wear skinny jeans all the time, but that's been the style of jeans (relatively) for decades. Guys want to look at women's rear ends. That's just a given. But a skinny dude's ass? I don't think so. I'm a skinny guy and even though my buttocks has been described as "cute" (I'm not sure what that means, exactly), I have respect for people's eyes and won't trot around in public with jeans that hug to my fanny. Often I'll see the jeans be low on the person too to where their underwear is showing too.
I really don't see how women find these skinny jeans on guys attractive either. It's not like hipsters have nice booties to show off. Most of them smoke, which tends to keep them skinny, and the only exercise they do is going on their bike rides. That doesn't make for great muscle building or toning. The ladies want to look at a muscular posterior like Channing Tatum's. And just by looking at how the jeans look on the wearer, I don't see how they can be comfortable. Guys like having some room for their "baggage" so that nothing is squeezed. Men have been wearing more relaxed fit jeans since jeans' invention. They have obvious purposes. Skinny jeans hinder leg movement and restrict around the crotch region. Those are two things guys hold in high regard. So, why? Why wear them?
"I only smoke organic..." *cough* "...tobacco cigarettes."
Why do people still smoke today? I mean, if I was some poor and unknowing working man in a second or third world country and I was introduced to cigarettes early on in my life, I'd probably smoke. However, since I'm an educated and rational man who lives in a first world country, I understand that cigarettes are very bad for my health. I don't need the stupid anti-cigarette commercials to tell me that. It just boggles me that in this day and age why people, and a lot of them, still smoke cigarettes. I think blame could be put on a sort of mass stupidity, as in, as Tommy Lee Jones' character (K) explains to Will Smith (J), in Men In Black, "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." It could be that cigarette smoking is so engrained into our culture and for so long that it simply becomes something that people do rather than deciding on a reasonable choice for doing so, because I can't think of one good reason why someone would choose to smoke something that tastes and smells so bad and is so detrimental to one's health...and is a habit. Know anyone who isn't a habitual cigarette smoker? Didn't think so. It's not like hipsters look cool smoking.
That is the embodiment of "cool". Draper is more deep and ironic than any hipster could dream of being.
Don't get me wrong. I enjoy cigars semi-regularly and have a tobacco pipe that brings me much satisfaction, but I can explain with pretty good rationale why I do (that I ranted on in length in the 46th edition of The Helios). Actually, there's been more than a few times where I've been at a bar that's full of hipsters, as I still live in a college town, and I'll get weird looks and/or complaints for lighting up a cigar. First of all, cigar smoke can actually smell pretty decent and has aromas other than death. Second, in a bar full of cigarette smokers, people can keep their unreasonable objections to themselves if cigar smoke offends them. I bet they're just mad that I enjoy my cigar more than they enjoy their cigarettes. I don't want to say that every hipster smokes cigarettes. It's just that every single one I know does.
Those are not marijuana buds. Those are hops, used to make beer. I had to get a beer reference in here somewhere.
Speaking of smoking, hipsters like to be advocates of marijuana. Many say it is a drug that will cure this and that. It's a miracle drug and should be legalized! I find it to be a drug that makes people sit around and laugh at stuff. Oh, what miracles! It's not that I really have any strong objections to marijuana being legalized. I think it's a pretty harmless drug, except for those who become dependent on it (like many other things) and waste their lives away on the couch, but if it was really such a great drug then I always ask advocates why there isn't some great drive by the pharmaceutical industry to create some miracle THC drug, because they would want to cash in on something so in demand, right? I usually don't get much of or a good response to that. Actually, after a bit of research, I've found that there are already prescription drugs available in the USA that use THC. Why don't I see hordes of marijuana advocates going for those? I know, because they don't want to use marijuana for actual medical purposes. All they want to do is get high.
And you know what? I wouldn't mind that if advocates would just quit their miracle drug BS and flat out say they just want to get high. I could give some good reasons why I like beer and why it should be kept legal, but in the end I'll say I just want to sit down, relax, and have a brew. Making marijuana legalization to be some great untapped and righteous thing really isn't the truth. The truth is that people want to get high. That's a hard sell to some.
No, but I loathed many.
The last attribute I will talk about today that many hipsters possess is that of vegetarianism. It's one thing that really annoys me, mostly because I haven't yet heard a good reason for someone I know to have that diet. If you were some Buddhist monk high up in the Himalayas then Id accept you being a vegetarian because you'd be devoting your whole life toward one spiritual goal. But why some hipster chick who's in college? I have a few friends who say they're vegetarians and I'll often debate the issue with them. They'll give the usual excuses like...it's wrong to kill animals. Really? Why? Should we throw away several millennia of human progress, with the domestication of animals, just because it's now wrong to kill the animals for some reason?
And the most obvious question back is, if they (animals) weren't supposed to be killed then why the hell do they taste so good? The pig is supposed to be one of the smartest animals. It just happens to be the tastiest. I also explain to my vegetarian friends that our human bodies have evolved to digest animal meat. We're not mean to digest a bunch of vegetable matter. There's a reason why cows have four stomachs. Need I explain why we have canine teeth? But no, these arguments always fall on deaf ears. There is one argument that I find to be the most compelling, however. It's very much along the lines of how Anthony Bourdain thinks about vegetarians and vegans. Here's a quote from the book that made him famous, Kitchen Confidential,
“Vegetarians, and their Hezbollah-like splinter-faction, the vegans, are a persistent irritant to any chef worth a damn.
To me, life without veal stock, pork fat, sausage, organ meat, demi-glace, or even stinky cheese is a life not worth living.
Vegetarians are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit, an affront to all I stand for, the pure enjoyment of food. The body, these waterheads imagine, is a temple that should not be polluted by animal protein. It's healthier, they insist, though every vegetarian waiter I've worked with is brought down by any rumor of a cold.
Oh, I'll accommodate them, I'll rummage around for something to feed them, for a 'vegetarian plate', if called on to do so. Fourteen dollars for a few slices of grilled eggplant and zucchini suits my food cost fine.”
I actually saw him at an event with a friend and he talked about vegetarians for a bit. He did explain how he's become more aware of eating healthy as he's gotten older, and especially with him now having a young child, but his basic argument was thus: He has been to some of the poorest places on Earth and has eaten with the poorest of people. In fact, his favorite place on Earth, even being a New Yorker, is Vietnam. When he goes over to places like that and a family cooks him a meal with a freshly butchered goat, something that probably costs them months worth of income, he will most graciously accept the meal. For many in this world, protein is a rarity, and because he has been to so many poor places he understands that. Meat is something to enjoy but for many it's something to truly cherish because of the lack thereof. This is what vegetarians and vegans forget or ignore. It's simply because they live in a rich country where they can afford to pick exactly what they want.
At the event I attended, Bourdain actually said that if he was offered a plate of food that had cooked cute puppies, or I guess what were once cute puppies, then he would accept it. Now, he said that with a laugh and he could have been joking, but I think he was only half joking. I can understand people, including vegetarians, being against some of the disgusting practices our food industry uses to farm our tasty, meaty produce, but that's not the point here. Anyone can go find "free range" produce if they want to. But what about the local farmer who works his ass off to raise and slaughter his farm animals so he can put food on his own table for his family? Are you going to refuse purchasing his products simply because he kills animals? You know, I bet the vast majority of vegetarians have never even been on a farm. Farming, whether it's cotton or cow, is a way of life and both give us what we want and need. Vegetarianism is useless, and in my opinion, unreasonable. If there was ever the need to say, "first world problems," then using it to comment on vegetarianism would be it.
Oh no, it's happened to Star Trek too!
Well, there you have it. Hipsters annoy me and after some thought I figured out a few reasons why. Thankfully, I think hipsterism, if that's a word, is only a temporary time in one's life. Once the person gets older and gets along in their career then they should move further and further away from being ironically un-ironic. Sometimes being "mainstream" isn't actually that. Sometimes it's just being you. I hope you enjoyed my rant. It had been awhile since my last one. I hope to write more in the future.
There was once a time where TWC politics - and I don't mean real world politics, rather, the politics of TWC (when it existed) - was something important, for good or bad, for TWC and a much-discussed subject. Every now and again, a prominent member would put his ideas and opinions to writing, often with controversial but interesting reactions. Another thing to note is the culture of TWC. This is a large, diverse, and outspoken (like all of the internet, but it's a bit more sane here [maybe]) community that, at least in internet years, is quite old. We become friends, enemies, and everything in between. Bonds are formed, heated arguments are engaged, and jokes are made. But what about our TWC culture? What is it? What drives it? Is there social unrest just as there is in the real world? This is something that Inkie Pie, with his second contribution to this Helios edition, has brought to us. More specifically, he has taken it upon himself to engage the Thema Devia community to help us better understand it. Class struggle, rep, spamming, he covers it all. Honestly, I find the article to be one of the most interesting and humorous I've read in quite some time. Now, if you dare, dive into this lengthy but hilarious analysis of the TD!
And just so there is no misunderstanding...
This article is a work of parody. Though it does involve actual investigation by Inkie Pie, the work is intended to be comedic in nature.
Social study of Thema Devian culture and traditions.
If circumstances are normal, the Thema Devia is avoided like a dirty toilet-brush receptacle by the more intellectually-inclined regulars of the site. Politically correct members of the elite refer to Devians as 'colourful', with 'light-hearted' being another popular adjective among the more polite of such circles. It's so bad that posting frequently in the “Underhive” of TWC (TD+Colo combined, although zoo wouldn't be bad either seeing as we all have animal avatars...) actually diminishes a member's credibility when that member wishes to, say, climb the social ladder in a significant way. Some would even suggest that those few Devians present among the higher social strata are only there because of the need to fill certain quotas and not look colourist...
Despite these social handicaps, there are some cases of breakthroughs. The recent 'Blue Fever' of TD has seen many of its inhabitants become contributors to the site, abandoning (at least nominally) the pursuit of spam and brigandage, and turning to more noble tasks. The insanity and/or Bronyism of many Devians might engender some social turbulences within the site's middle and upper-classes as will occur inevitably when a member of an ostracised group - lacking in etiquette yet aiming to integrate a higher social milieu - comes into contact with the old guard. As far as identifying the many parallels with RL go, I ask you this, dear reader: Ever wonder why our benevolent, enlightened autocrats decided to make the colour representing the enslaved, brutalised masses black?
I thought not.
“Rep will always be given at Thema Devia to those who ask for it.”- Albus Dumbledore.
The ill-repute of the Devia is partially linked to the distasteful abuse of rep within it, an unfortunate and troublesome phenomenon which Dumbledore has identified with great skill and insight. The unwashed mass of posts within it are typically little more than inarticulate, drunken gibberish or one-liners dripped on by the feeblest amounts of reflection. And yet despite this, John Devian's rep-purse will normally continue to grow fatter and fatter as the pages go on. Do other denizens of the Underhive find value in the average Chat Thread post? This is unlikely, and perhaps an even more horrific idea than rep-whoring itself, which is at least honest in its viciousness, and doesn't lay claim to virtue or merit.
The Underhive is perhaps the most commercial of TWC's domains, with copious amounts of rep being invested in long term enterprises, granted and earned by those who deserve it, or snatched with glee by those who demand it. There is little control over this process aside from the formulae noted above, and the guardians of this area pursue a mercantilist policy of safe-guarding such economic expansion, crushing any attempts of central planning and taxation by alternative forms of government (see end result of Thema Devia's role-play). This financial system differs from other parts of the site, and means that there is a fairly open distribution of wealth, although the whoring of the Coliseum is usually unable to compete with the higher creativity and 'legitimate' rep-gaining found in some areas of the Thema Devia. This might be changing, due to the recent acquisition - by the Coliseum - of the Describe thread, the Forum Happiness thread, and two RTD's of its own outside of the sub-forums; these are all founts of creativity, but their lucrativeness, particularly in terms of work-per-rep, is limited, which drives away the more despicable rep-addicts. This 'legitimate' reppage I speak of is gained in many ways: By members who scour the wild hinterlands of the interwebz in search of resources and booty, then return to TWC and dump these artefacts into the Videos thread or YLYL, or otherwise by members who create their own TWC-related artwork, stories or videos, a growing trend among the avant-gardist/hipster regulars of the Chat Thread. While the former is of arguable legitimacy and dubious merit, much akin to games awarding rep for ubiquitous 'winners' despite a total absence of skill or time-investment, the latter has already done a fair amount to change the image TD has of itself, and others of it. In comparison, the very nature of Coliseum as a haven for post-rate fetishists and other renegades, as a place where quantity is the only quality, means that honest reppage is as foreign an idea to Coliseumites as steak and ale pie is to a Frenchman.
Every area of TWC has a different economic system, however: The Community RPG's section is populated largely by paupers (at least in terms of rep per post ratio). This is surprising, because the amount of craft-work and effort put into posts considered standard there is immense, yet it appears that even soft, private whoring does not exist in this realm. Could it be that the role-players aren't obsessed with shiny fleurs-de-lis, and care mainly about the healthy continuation of their games? A truly chilling thought to any good Devian, who doesn't trouble himself with morals or substance, only with “moar lulz n' rep”. Along with PH+A and a few others, it would appear that Community RPG's is another bastion of virtue where rep is not a prized commodity, and where righteous work is thanklessly done by those who call themselves regulars.
Originally Posted by Nazgûl Killer
People should use [rep] just as that; Feedback giving. It's not like it's money.
Originally Posted by Kameraden
Nowadays my repwhoring is doing artisan work. Sigs, avatars, and such which are rewarded with TWC's currency, rep.
In the DD, things are simple. Rep is given by those who agree on a certain matter – to each other – and to those few who make exceptionally well-researched and/or well articulated posts, the latter being a stellar example of traditional use of the currency. Much more conservative than Thema Devian standards in any case, although unlike within TD, here lies also political currency: DD is a primary recruiting pool for one of the two major voting classes of TWC - the Civitate bourgeoisie. This is wholly different from the TD, where political credibility is routinely sacrificed upon the altar of lulz and silliness. Finally, the modding spheres center around a theocratic, pyramidal structure of both economic and political capital, where Those Who Mod are rewarded with vast quantities of rep and possible induction into that other, equally prestigious branch of the site's elite, the Artifex bourgeoisie. Here, those who contribute to and organize the industrial heart of TWC (the mods) are rightfully venerated as deities by a great congregation made up both of indistinguishable bums and vagrants without avatars, rep or creed, as well as the recognizable members from other parts of the site. For the former, the newbies who “cannot simply grammar into Mordor” (Double A) life is an utterly confusing and frustrating whirlpool of:
Not understanding how to install your mod or having your mod stop working.
Having your mod not be exactly what you want it to be.
Having your subsequent well-reasoned and wholly implementable suggestions cruelly shot down.
Being banned or censored by moderators for breaking their so-called 'rules'.
Being condescended upon by those of other colours (colourism).
Envying those who wear shiny badges.
Not understanding anything.
These poor souls usually live a wretched existence of the most utter deprivation, and they are written-off as insignificant by the capitalist mainstream of TWC, even by the lowliest fiend of the Coliseum. Here we can witness the true handiwork of the bourgeois elite of TWC: They divide the proletariat into petty regionalism and conflict, with the creation of such a confusing array of forums and sub-forums – I will refer you, dear reader, to the great quote of his communist majesty, Guy:
“Borders are merely bourgeois constructs which cause nothing but unjust separatism and war amongst the inter[forumite] working class."
Additionally, to exacerbate the divisions wracking TWC's working class, our rulers have set up an evil vertical class-structure where users are manipulated into seeking individualistic self-advancement rather than supporting the welfare of the community and the proletariat. Occasionally a token Black user will be accepted into the lower-middle-class ranks of the Blues, to spin the illusion that TWC is a meritocracy of equal opportunities, while every day Black users continue to be relegated to the obscure pits of the modding forum suggestions and error threads, or to the Underhive.
What? Users go there by choice, you say? Nonsense. You have been brought up in the gilded wonderland of shiny badges and fancy titles, and you have been enslaved by the mental shackles of desiring only rep and citizenship, domesticated to seek nothing but selfish political and economic ascension, a rat-race with no end or dignity. So long as you are fooled, ruled and censored by your social superiors, you will continue to ignore the rampant colourism, the execution (through ban-hammer) of political and ideological enemies of the site, and the lack of even basic civil rights among the poor plebs of TWC.
They say a picture speaks more than a thousand words. Observe then, this exposure of the tyrannical establishment, and the plight of the indentured labourers of TWC's plebs:
In fact, with the presence of such barbarous capitalism and the reduction of the user to slavery, we should not look upon the land of Community RPG's as a destitute one, but rather as a utopia and a rock against the inundation of greedy, oppressive rep-capitalism which flows freely and unashamedly throughout the site.
I cut short my highly sophisticated, undeniably serious Marxist analysis of finger-peeling intensity, so that we can hear from - and study - the radical views of those who populate the rolling threads of the Devia, regarding all the matters covered above.
I - Spam: Its meaning, prevalence, and effects.
The first topic covered was spammery. This is an interesting one: It's a term some of us Devians use to describe ourselves regularly, also one which can be deemed an insult depending on usage, but ultimately a word many define differently. I used it rather frequently in Cultural Learnings part 1, but without examining it or attempting to elaborate on its meaning. I'd like to start by clarifying that here we aren't talking about spambots and regular spam found around the internet - which is rightfully banned on TWC without exception - but more to the nature of many posts seen in TWC's Underhive, which is why I use the term "spammery", to distinguish it from the other type. When asked whether or not they considered themselves a spammer, the results from what I consider regulars at the TD were the following:
Currently considers himself a spammer: 8
Considers himself an ex-spammer: 6
Considers himself to have never spammed: 21
Whether different results would have been obtained if the regulars of the Coliseum had been included lies open to question. As I mentioned above, many users questioned the term in their responses, taking the philosophical route to respond to a serious ethical matter: What is a spammer?
Here are some of the reflections of prominent T-Dwellers on the matter:
Originally Posted by • Lyra •
Yes, I would as my prime domain is the CT thread... a thread dedicated to spam!
But then... there are many categories of spammers... I still don't know which one I'm in.
Originally Posted by Twilight Sparkle
1. No way, even though many may consider me as such, but I'm not a spammer, I involve quality in Coliseum posts unlike some other users (Wont gonna say names).
Originally Posted by Princess Cadance
1. Well...sometimes I don't really contribute something meaningful. I might just post "Cool find." or "That's interesting." as a post. I guess that counts. But spamming as in being malicious or annoying? No.
Originally Posted by Diamat
1. I do not consider myself a spammer. Then again, how does one define "spammer"? If by "spammer" one means excessive posting, then no (but [USER] is). If one means meaningless posting with little or no value, then yes (and so is [USER]). If one means both, then no (but [USER] still is). Although I certainly enjoy posting meaningless things in the TD, I do not think this makes me a spammer, since "spammer" contains negative connotations.
Originally Posted by Påsan
I certianly was a 'spammer' before I got all ambitious around January, after that I was not a spammer according to my own definition because I contributed. However that was my own corny definition, what exactly is a spammer? To my understanding it is now "A person that posts mostly in the chat forums" Then yes I apparently am a spammer according to TWC's highest authority, the CdeC.
These, along with other responses, leave the following traits as a general image of the spammer, combining concerns of quality and quantity:
Posts in huge quantities.
Posts usually with little concern for meaning or insight.
Usually frequents forum games and chat threads.
Many interviewees seemed hesitant to label themselves spammers, for, as seen above, they either saw it as something corrosive or otherwise disruptive. The third trait appears backed up by the fact that - of the eight "admitted spammers", four are regulars in the Chat Thread, and there were quite a few others I would consider as spammers who seemed unwilling to admit as much. It's important to recognize a sense of spammery which can exist conterminously with the other forumite personalities and identities that one carries along with them. As such, one can be spammer, scholar and swashbuckler (in RPG's? Not sure, I just wanted to use that word really bad) - the trait is not all-encompassing. Also, I don't consider the habits of the spammer to be of disruptive or destructive intent, yet because so many appear to I have taken the liberty of writing my own definition of the TWC spammer which I think reflects this energetic segment of the population more truthfully:
"A spammer is a member who posts compulsively in large quantities, with the distinction that the posts are limited in terms of length, insightfulness and depth. The spammer is usually at home among chat threads and game threads where such habits are considered to be the norm. Despite this, most users who practice spammery also engage in conventional posting in other parts of the site."
Overall, it would appear that although TD may not harbour the most illustrious threads, and houses what is arguably the spam-capital of TWC, most within it do not regard themselves as spammers. This ties in not only to negative interpretations of the word as seen above, but also to the fact - discussed in Part 1 - that many visit the TD for a laugh, and to take a look at the colourful threads it produces or...absorbs. Even if the nature of debate might not be very "academic", it is still so engaging that for many it constitutes the primary reason why TD is an - or the most - appealing area of the site.
Still, taking the analysis beyond the realm of TD I decided to ask some "top Coliseum posters" why they posted so much. Additionally, the recent "hedge-trimming" throughout TWC, resulting in the resetting or closure of spam-threads, provoked surprisingly little backlash from Underhive spammers, many of whom rejoiced that they now resembled gentlemen of quality because of an exponentially increased RPP (Rep Per Post) ratio. This leads me to believe two things: Firstly, I repeat my earlier claim that spamming is often an unwitting practice. It's done by nature, out of subconscious satisfaction for leaving witty one-liners, or as Pasan said of the most prolific spammers, "hitting the 'reply' button as many times as one can in a day". Having a high post-count appears to be more of an objective for humble, newly-initiated spammers, which gradually gives way during the evolution of the member to rep-whoring: This latter deviancy then becomes the senior of the two, with increasing post count being an activity taken for granted and deemed less important. These responses of key mass-posters of the Underhive substantiate my claim:
Originally Posted by the mysterious F
I don't think i post that much, at least not anymore (...)
Lost near to half of my posts but it is not that bad, i don't seem such a spammer now, and i'm glad to know that i had so many posts outside the colo.
Originally Posted by Alexanderos
I am new here , and i want to gather some reputation and some posts.
Originally Posted by Twilight Sparkle
I'm posting a lot in Coliseum for fun, I love playing forum games, I'm not posting there to get post count. While I did post to gain post count in August and Autumn, but no longer. I just post there cuz it's fun, so I can say my reasons have changed.
When asked how the user felt about the loss of his posts in the threads that were deleted:
A bit sad, but nothing heart breaking. It was a bit sad to see me lose 12k posts though.
But at least I will get to 10k back very soon!
I say what mods decide to do is the right thing, I'm 100% down with mods.
One user, however, stands out:
When asked why he posts in such copious quantities:
Originally Posted by Ferdiad
Getting the most posts is easier than getting most rep.
When asked how he felt about the loss of his posts in the threads that were deleted:
I couldn't care less. Only about 1/10 of my posts are in threads that might get deleted. I spread myself over 10 or so TWC forums.
We can deduce from this that TD (and some Colo) spammers have mixed feelings with regards to their habits: This is supported by the large amount of professed "ex-spammers", the fact that many never - or no longer - spam to increase their post count, and that they are so indifferent to the loss of their posts. This leads to the conclusion that mass-posting is for most a means to better enjoyment of the site, rather than an end in itself.
Such discoveries obviously do not concern the same fine sir, who will not relent in his quest to "outspam them all" and to increase every type of quantity he has at his online disposition. He also made the following statement in his response:
Originally Posted by Ferdiad
I am the King of Spammers.
Many experience genuine fun by posting in game-threads or the majority of those which form the Coliseum; however, there is certainly a "territorial" aspect which leaves the most loquacious members vying to dominate the Underhive, a rivalry which has since spilled out from the Coliseum and into the Chat Thread. Along with Ferdiad, I found that a couple of other members at least partially see posting as an end, or as a means to something other than simply enjoying the variety of spam-threads:
Originally Posted by Herald of Omnisiah
The reason I post there so much, is that I want to take part in those threads as much as possible. It's developing into addiction If I'm not wrong.
Originally Posted by Twilight Sparkle
Because it's fun and to be sure to show that I am powerful member over here. (...)
Not to mention I want to be in top 5 posters in it, currently being in 2nd place. So my goal is achieved, but I must hold on it as there are many other people who want to achieve the same goal.
I believe a specification is in order here. As noted before, spamming to increase post count is something of an obsolete method, which is currently fairly unpopular in the Underhive except with young newbies eager to get their foot in the doorway; however it ties into what is currently a more prevalent phenomenon: Spamming as power-politics in the Coliseum and Chat Thread, in order to become the main social presence in this area of TWC - a goal which in the eyes of those who pursue it can be cemented by possessing massive amounts of posts and, of course, rep.
Hence the whoring.
II - TD's view on the recent "Blue Fever".
Originally Posted by Påsan
Horrible! detestable! They are all just trying to be more like me and I don't like it! (And [USER], but forget [USER])
Actually I quite like it, It is nice that people from the Devia can be responsible and contribute rather than just being the gutter of TWC. Perhaps in six months there will be full of Citizens in the Devia and we will rise its reputation from a gutter to a kingdom of intellectualism! (Yeah probably not...)
2012 has been a year of "social" restlessness for Thema Devia. A fair amount of Devians entered service in the azure branches of Content Writers and Librarians, and I thought I would include a brief question to see what people think of this affair. These were the results:
Good: 8
Bad: 6
I'm jealous/custom user-titles are cool: 7
Indifferent: 12
I hate ponies: 1
Pasan's quote is probably the most appropriate to sum up why many denizens of TD think the phenomenon is overall positive: Some have faith that much can be done to improve the image of the place, and that Devians can prove their ability to offer more to the site than cheap spam and lulz. As far as the knight of the PH+A Nazgûl Killer is concerned, distinctions of locale are so petty that they are of no concern when it comes to contributing to the greater good of TWC:
Originally Posted by Nazgûl Killer
Well, now that I know what it is I can only say that this is a good thing. TWC is a great site and needs contributors, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with people wanting to contribute. If anything, it's a good thing. So all I can say is 'keep up the good work!'.
I would also like to add Nosjack's response for lucidly synthesizing the views of the "Optimist" group. Also, he deserves an honourable mention for - as he says - being the first Devia spammer to enter the ranks of the Staff:
From what I can tell, almost all the people who have recently joined the CS actually have an interest in the betterment of the site. I can't think of anyone who joined the CS just for the "shiny badge."
By the way, I take full responsibility for the opening the flood gates of this "blue fever," as I was the first "spammer" (at least in the past) to join the CS.
Next come those - almost equal in number - who found the process to be overall a negative one. These "Cynics" generally questioned the competence of Devians, or their ability to fulfill any meaningful duties. Among these Diamat (the erroneously-dubbed "Pigeon Pope" of TD) provided one of the more articulate responses, and this is what he had to say:
No matter how hard [The Content Devians] try, they will never be as awesome as I. It makes me wonder, though, how low has TWC sunken that it is hiring from such an applicant pool?
A newer member, Fat_Cat, innocuously wondered:
If everyone gets title and it has some significance, what's the point of title in first place?
Another staunch cynic regarding the affair was saxdude, a prominent Devian by all accounts:
Originally Posted by saxdude
Bleh, they dont actually do anything, its just a crappy fast way nto get some "rank" in TD, no offense : D
With lack of faith in the ability of Devians to do their new jobs being the primary constituent of the cynicism of these members, there were three other reasons which emerged: One interviewee thought of it as a conformist trend without substance, while another believed that attaining any form of "special" status on an internet forum is a sure sign of being an anti-social loser. A single user responded that he hated it, without deeming to explain himself. It would appear that these cynics are those who generally don't see much more to the standard Devian than a clown (a portion of Part 1 was devoted to elucidating this) therefore making the division between optimists and cynics come back to the troubled waters of how Devians view themselves and each other: Whether it's as good guys full of potential and energy, or joke-bound swine with an appetite for all things shiny. If there's anything to support the veracity of the latter claim, it would be the large number of those who responded either that they were envious (sarcastically or not) or those who expressed ambiguously that there is a certain bling element to acquiring a colour. Interestingly, some of those who responded in such a fashion already had their own custom user-titles, and were quite long-standing staff members or LM's, which implies that the "bling" was a substantial motivational factor in their changing of colour - the contributions of these members and their sincerity were irrefutable, yet it's still rather telling that the associated privileges had an important role in their desire to become grey or blue. Secondly, most of the rest (the regulars who expressed interest in "bling") did not seem to consider themselves fit and/or ready for application, seeing as they were generally partially or wholly sarcastic. Although I favour a universalization of CUTs, this survey has made it clear that CUT's as a privilege do well to attract talent to the Local Moderators and the Content Staff, as those who only desire the associated glamour appear mature enough to restrain themselves from vying for such positions in a purely ambitious purpose, and those who do apply are confident of their abilities to fulfill their duties properly, and willing to do so.
As an additional note, there is a substantial body of members who were indifferent to the happenings. Some of these expressed that they didn't really care about different colours and that it didn't mean anything to them. Others said that they were too lazy to consider service in the Staff, or more accurately that the prospect of such work ran counter to the leisurely function of their visits to TWC; This supports the argument made above that Devians are as honest judges of themselves as any other members, and that they won't try to sneak their way into a certain branch just for the sake of it. If there are any independent theories one can put forward based on these indifferent responses, one would be that many denizens of the TD are apathetic with regards to the site's bodies/colours/branches, and worry little for events outside their borders, or for the nature and entailments of service to the site. These would probably be those who come to TD, or indeed TWC as a whole, for lulz and informal discussion. As it is, the next portion of the article will confirm or dispel such a theory.
III - The ambitions of the Devians.
Do those who call Thema Devia their home care about TWC positions? Responses to the previous question suggested that over a third of the Devian population doesn't care much about the advancement of their fellows into various positions within TWC society; these responses are reflected by results obtained here. When asked whether or not they had any "social" wishes or plans for their TWC future, these were the responses received:
Citizen (no specification): 6*
Desire to change colour, but without specifying in which way: 6
Moderator: 2
No comment: 2
Administrator (not sure if serious) : 1
Artifex: 1
Civitate: 1
Consilium de Civitate: 1
Content Artist: 1
Content Staff: 1
None: 14
*Of the six, four managed to spell the word 'citizen' correctly.
Considering the ambiguity of two responses, we can determine that approximately 60% of the Devia's regulars have aspirations to serve the site in an increased capacity. Citizenship remains - as it probably does in many other areas of the site too - a generally desired status among most, but judging by the nature of the responses it would appear that only a few of those who chose it were actively working towards that goal, and for most it could safely be seen as a hazy project for some time in the distant future. Indeed, the responses varied greatly in terms of enthusiasm, with some interviewees responding that they had concrete "plans" to advance their projects, and others not being quite sure how they would be able to put their skills to use.
Of those who desired to join another "colour group" without knowing which in particular, some were excessively vague and I was skeptical as to their authenticity: Most of those users who responded to question no°2 that they found custom user-titles appealing - at least those who didn't already possess one - ended up in this group. Some appeared to be very ambitious, listing numerous groups they would like to be a part of at one point or another, whereas others stated that they simply wanted to help the site without being sure in which capacity they would do so, or how they would obtain such a "status" in the first place. Those who had plans appeared to be aware of the parameters and structures by which they were required to abide in order to be successful in their wishes, whereas those who didn't have plans also appeared ready to adapt themselves to existing standards in order to contribute.
Lastly come those who expressed no interest in changing colour, constituting a minority, but still the largest single group among all of them. As usual, the reasons differ wildly, although with this group many simply responded with a negative (without elaborating) which I unfortunately failed to pursue in order to elicit a more classifiable response. Of the rest, some admitted that they were too lazy to strive to join either of these "colour groups" or to fulfill the duties expected of their members. A small amount expressed hostility to some of these groups, and said that they preferred to remain as distant from them as possible. It would appear that this group is, as noted at the beginning of this portion, comprised of those who didn't care about the 'blue fever' - proud provincials who are content with their lot and want nothing else other than the simple pleasures offered by the Devia.
What can be made of these results? Are they only viable for the TD or does this represent the impulses of TWC as a whole? Every user carves him or herself a different path, and for different reasons - this much has been made clear both before and after acquiring the results. Considering this, unless we were studying the Coliseum, it appears likely that I would have received fewer "joke" responses or vague ones: Predictably, more modders would desire to join the Artifex citizenry, and more DD veterans would aspire to join the Civitate citizenry, but it appears clear that many users, even in the gutter, bladder or compactor of TWC (all terms which have been used by the TD's regulars to describe it) wish to become Citizens or receive some other form of recognition for contributions to the site. For some it is a misty dream for some time in the future, for a few others it may be an irrational, greedy pursuit, not altogether different from rep-whoring, examined below; however for most it is an honest objective which inspires them to work honestly and help others, to provide insight, learning and good-natured social interaction, although in all fairness there aren't many places in Thema Devia where more than one of those goals can be realised...
IV - On the nefarious cabals of rep-whoring.
Finally, I have taken it upon myself to ask other Devians what they think of rep-whoring (rep-pimping and rep-trading are terms many of the so-called "whores" prefer to label their ignominious activities with), and see whether they are honest with regards to their doings – an obtuse mission by all accounts, but one which must be undertaken if the secrets of Thema Devia are to be uncovered. Like with spammery, a solid definition encompassing the many different ways in which it is practiced has yet to be elaborated. I have for now divided the means of whoring into the following criteria:
Overt whoring: The user publicly begs for rep, waving a tin can around the Chat Thread with some weak promise of recompense and/or obscure justification. Usually it's done due to rep-dehydration or extreme deprivation, as well as something mouth-watering to any addict: Proximity to a new red fleur-de-lis.
Blatant, private whoring: The user has set up a hidden rep-trading business with some other shady character, and rep is purely given to further this agenda. Usually, to attract clients, this user will "innocently" rep back whenever repped.
Sneaky, private whoring: The user has acquired a good number of like-minded “friends”, and he reps them whenever he can, and although the quality of the post he has repped matters little to him, he will pretend it does. He expects an equivalent rate of return, and if it is granted, the whoring operation is successful. Someone acting in this way will send out "feelers" by repping all around him, but only continue to rep those who "return the favour", which often leads sneaky, private whoring to evolve into its blatant sister above.
Surprisingly, many more Devians than expected spoke freely of their wanton "whoring". This in itself can be interpreted a certain way: If people are willing to admit that their rep is not gained by the provision of high-quality or original commentary, this means that they're not only whoring for it in the hopes of looking intelligent or worthy, it's just a simple case of accumulation and basic desire for "more". This does, however, leave open the possibility of a "regional plan": Only admitting such filthy activity to the Devia but presenting a rep-coated facade to outsiders or during forays beyond the border of Games, Activities and Chat. As such, although spamming is an easier beast to tackle, the two are very similar practices, often bound together to form the bread and the butter of the life of a denizen of the Underhive (again, this is my title for the Coliseum and Thema Devia combined). Here are the results obtained when I asked TDers whether they whored, or if they had in the past:
Yes, current: 11
Yes, past: 10
No, never: 13
There are some cases of people misunderstanding the subtle business, believing that they do not whore or never have, seeing the habits they engage in as wholly natural. Here is an example of such a case:
Though it's fun to watch how the amount of rep I have grows, I don't see it necessary to actively seek more rep. I am myself kind of sparing with giving people rep, and most of the time I give it because I have to, or for counter-repping people.
As I said, rep-whoring is an insidious phenomenon which is not always blatant and shameless, but often unwittingly induces members into becoming affiliated with it. If you ask me the reason for the prevalence of whoring in the Underhive is simple: Our posts are so aimless and worthless that users see no other way of obtaining this prized "commodity", than admitting the toilet value of their writings and gaining at least some form of "income" through private circles and occasional begging. It is also becoming something of a trend to be Good Guy Greg and rep a man who has four rep rings, seeing as it might result in him gaining a new fleur-de-lis. I would even go so far as to say that people who don't repback are looked upon as avaricious harpagons. Still, no Devian questions the importance of acquiescing to the demands of beggars: What better way is there to put a smile on a man's face and restore his vulnerable self-image than to give him such a tangible, meaningful and tasty gift as a fresh new fleur-de-lis of reputation points?
As for those who are currently "ex-whores", life is good: No longer are they plagued by the gnawing paranoia or sense of dread at the prospect of not waking up every morning to new TWC rep points. These users have matured, and put such vice behind them. Presumably, they have since cleaned up their act, and care little for rep, even being disgusted when they receive pointless or self-interested rep donations, particularly if the givers obviously intend to open a whoring business with them.
If these results are at all accurate, then it would appear that two-thirds of the Devia's population are either rep-addicts or were previously, although the number is probably larger. In any case, when I look at my twenty latest reputation points received (at the time of writing) it's clear that Devian habits have rubbed off on me: One of the rep-messages was simple ("Rep me back!"), and it was clear that there was no substance to it other than a desperate hope that I would oblige. Three other reps were given because I had "four rep rings" which, as I said, in the Devia now constitutes an accepted reason for handing out rep. A final point was given by a user who informed me in his message that he had to "spread rep", presumably because he had some kind of "rep-debt" to pay off, because another user had repped him in the same way the first rep-whore I just described did, and this fellow saw fit to return the favour. And thus the cycle goes on...
It is a common occurrence to see Thema Devia used as a facile pejorative when it suits one's envy. Example: Here, a gentleman indignant at the low quality of a certain VV-based discussion displays his disdain for a slurry of boorish comments:
Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos
This is the College of History. Not Thema Devia.
Who would defend the TD? Its own champions readily admit its ignominy, even wallowing in it with relish. One could say that Cahoma is the hero TD deserves, but Robert Clive is the hero it needs...
If there's one lesson to be gained from all of this, I would say it's the following: As high as TWC can reach into the depths of knowledge, learning and debate, it's always good to remember that there are untold myriads of members who come here just for a good laugh, to take it easy and enjoy the show, to indulge as well as to learn. These people may post too much, some of them may place an unhealthy obsession upon shine rather than substance, they may be lazy and disregard the idea of tiring themselves too much with thought during posting, but they are Devians, and the purpose of their home is more than that of a bladder: It's a frivolous, tantalizing dessert, to be enjoyed as a tasteful supplement to the site's nucleus without ever detracting from it.
- Inkie. My thanks to all those who participated
Once again, I thank my excellent team of writers for their continued hard work in making The Helios what it is, and your support as a receptive and interested readership.
After reading this edition, now would be an excellent time to pay a visit to one of the other TWC publications, which can be done by clicking on either of the images below.
Nice! By the way, Rahl, I sometimes wear skinny jeans, but I am in no way a hipster. I wear them because they actually look decent on me. But I am slowly phasing them out, because my baldness does not combine well with skinny jeans. In addition, the phrase "jeans that hug to my fanny" will confuse British people.
Yay! Linguistics!
Some IPA words comparisons would have been nice...
But then IPA is a tool of the few
Was the Greek spoken in the greater Hellenistics word of the Doric verity? Why so?
Also, I;e heard there are still greek speakers still in Anatolia is if the same archaic trend?
Some IPA words comparisons would have been nice...
But then IPA is a tool of the few
Was the Greek spoken in the greater Hellenistics word of the Doric verity? Why so?
Also, I;e heard there are still greek speakers still in Anatolia is if the same archaic trend?
~Lyra
The most widespread variety of Greek during Hellenistic times was Koine (which means "common") and it was heavily influenced by the Attic dialect of classical times. However many of the colonies in Magna Graecia were founded by Laconians and other Dorians (modern Taranto was originally a city fouded by Spartans for example) which explains the Doric elements of Griko, something that also disproves the theory of Byzantine settlers (not that they did not influence the language in their own way, of course). Tsakonika was developed in the Peloponnese where Doric Greek had been spoken for centuries, in fact Tsakones (the people who speak the language) may be derived from exo-Lakones (outer Laconians).
As for the Greek speakers in Anatolia there are many, and yes, many archaisms are present in their language such as the use of the infinitive and others. It's mainly varieties of Pontic and there are about 4000 Greek speakers in Anatolia at the moment.
Very good, especially Hobbes' article. I hope you get round to the issue of language identity, most notably the battle between Scots and Gaelic for 'national language of Scotland', despite the fact they are both minority languages hardly anyone in the UK let alone elsewhere has heard of.
I will definitely write about languages of the British Isles. I love Irish and I have done a bit reading on the history of Celtic languages, although I am hardly an expert on the matter. My stance on the battle that you mention is that it's completely pointless as both are spoken by a few people only and that trying to make either of them the official language of Scotland is ludicrous. Of course the government should try to preserve them both at least in the areas where they are still used. Promoting them in general is always good as it could educate the public about their history and culture.
Brilliant analysis of the community IP, a well written dissertation. I was thoroughly entertained
& Good job Hobbes, there's a co-worker of mine I should show your article to, she tends to think in black and white terms on the order of 'Italian is Italian and Greek is Greek what else is there?'