possible new units wishlist

**nintendo64isking** · July 09, 2012, 05:36 AM

We all know that the mod has some pretty cool stuff

what other things from zelda do you think could be cool units in this mod and for which factions?

i think the keese could play a role as a mobile flying unit for ikana as they need a fast unit i feel

**VGF254** · July 09, 2012, 06:43 AM

i would like to see who will get the armos
it be cool if everybody got their own version of one

**Duke Serkol** · July 09, 2012, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by VGF254

i would like to see who will get the armos
it be cool if everybody got their own version of one

The Armos will definitely not be exclusive to a single faction. The plan is (barring changes I may not know about) for them to be "mercs" that you pay to build rather than to hire. It's possible that each of the factions that can get them will have a different model, but only if Neph feels like making several.

While I eagerly wait for Forest Moblins, I believe my wishlist is now down to three more units:
Battle mages for Hyrule (based on the ones in AoL).
Witch healers for Hyrule (like the ones that sell you potions in the games).

And finally a small mercenary unit of Minish Mages.
Do you remember how Ezlo appears at the end of Minish Cap?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Besides that... I'd love to see a Dog Moblin hero.

**Mattwensley** · July 09, 2012, 10:08 AM

As I understand it, I believe Link will be turning up in every playable race. I'm hoping for a different variation depending on race:
Korkiri - Longbowman
Ordona - Heavy Cavalry
Hyrule - Heavy Infantry
Gerudo - Archer Cavalry
Goron - Either Goron Link from MM or Red suited Link with Megaton hammer
Zora - Blue suited Link with [not sure what would work here]
Gohma - [What would a Gohma Link be?]
Lanayru - Zora Link from MM
Deku - Deku Link from MM
Moblin - Boar riding Link
Darknut - Swordmaster Link AKA Golden Wolf
Lizalfos - [Not sure what would work here either]

**Scar86** · July 09, 2012, 10:48 AM

I have some suggestions for Link

Kokiri: Young Link, equipped with boomerang or Slingshot and kokiri sword/ deku shield with long range, about 9 missile att.

Zora: Solid Black Dark Link with red eyes

Ikana: Young MM Link, 2handing Great fairy's sword, shock infantry perhaps?

Forces of Twilight: Wolf Link! awroo!! XD

Order of the Wizzrobe: I forget what game it's from but a robed Link using a wand.

Gohma: A Corrupted version of adult Link covered in vines and perhaps bright green/yellow eyes?

Sheikah: Adult Link with A purple Tunic and the Mirror Shield, maybe even 2handing the Biggorons sword.

Stalfos: A Nasty looking re animated corpse of link,complete with flesh wounds,scars and blood splatters. broken giants knife in hand. Showing his utter defeat.

Lanayru province: Gold/Sacred armor Link, with a massive upkeep in the campaign due to his tunic constantly draining rupees, but giving an extremley high defensive boost.

**VGF254** · July 09, 2012, 10:53 AM

i would like Link to be really unique for every faction, for example zora Link

**Ethereal Lancer 916** · July 09, 2012, 11:11 AM

**Avatar of the Ice Wolf** · July 09, 2012, 11:18 AM

My brother came up with three new unit ideas about a week ago. I guess this would be the place to list them.

1. Big Dodongos (or King Dodongo) with powder keg launchers on their backs as cannon elephants for Gorons.

2. Skeletal Armogohma as heavy cavalry for Stalfos (no ranged fire).

3. Armos, Sentinels, and Control Rod Oocca. Essentially Ooca with the control rods from TP acting as captains for groups of the giant statues found in the TP Temple of Time as well as the Armos from other titles like OoT and MM.

**Mjolnr839** · July 09, 2012, 11:23 AM

Hopping statue Armos i don't see working, Knuckle like Armos where they are living suits of armor, or living satues i do see working.

**Duke Serkol** · July 09, 2012, 11:27 AM

I suggest a topic split while we still have the chance.

Can anybody move the posts with Link variants ideas in a thread of their own? Neph? Pilgrim?

**Mattwensley** · July 09, 2012, 11:29 AM

I would also like a few more units for Ordona - as they are, you unlock pretty much all their units in the first few dozen turns, and unlocking a new unit, and having the opportunity to throw it into battle is half the fun for me. Maybe a heavier melee unit - Ordona Swordmasters (relative, of course. Ordona will never have the high training and standard of Hyrule)? And give them to Rusl as a bodyguard - his current are, while a change from standard Goat Lords, a bit rubbish. And a new Cavalry unit or two - they need a heavier melee unit above Ordona Cavalry, but below Goat Lords (which, in my opinion, also need beefing up - a little too weak after charging to cope with the larger numbers of their foes). And finally, maybe a heavier archer cavalry - slower, with less stamina, but armour to take the occasional hit in close up combat. For a specialist cavalry group, they only have a handful of actual cavalry units.

So, to summarise, Ordona need:
A heavier melee unit, using Lumbermen during the high level skirmishes feels lacking
A stronger cavalry unit to cause more damage in high scale battles and more armour, but the standard pay-offs of speed and endurance
Pretty much the same again for an Archer cavalry unit.
Maybe toughen up Goat Lords and deny access to them for an extra barracks level? For Gen units, they are a bit light

My opinions, obviously. I'm assuming that the Great and Eternal UndyingNephalim has plans for all, so we shall see...

**DiddlyDark** · July 09, 2012, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Ethereal Lancer 916

I for one, dislike the Darknut one, what with him using a sword as large as him without getting chronic back pain, he isn't Cloud Strife.

**Mjolnr839** · July 09, 2012, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Mattwensley

I would also like a few more units for Ordona - as they are, you unlock pretty much all their units in the first few dozen turns, and unlocking a new unit, and having the opportunity to throw it into battle is half the fun for me. Maybe a heavier melee unit - Ordona Swordmasters (relative, of course. Ordona will never have the high training and standard of Hyrule)? And give them to Rusl as a bodyguard - his current are, while a change from standard Goat Lords, a bit rubbish. And a new Cavalry unit or two - they need a heavier melee unit above Ordona Cavalry, but below Goat Lords (which, in my opinion, also need beefing up - a little too weak after charging to cope with the larger numbers of their foes). And finally, maybe a heavier archer cavalry - slower, with less stamina, but armour to take the occasional hit in close up combat. For a specialist cavalry group, they only have a handful of actual cavalry units.

So, to summarise, Ordona need:
A heavier melee unit, using Lumbermen during the high level skirmishes feels lacking
A stronger cavalry unit to cause more damage in high scale battles and more armour, but the standard pay-offs of speed and endurance
Pretty much the same again for an Archer cavalry unit.
Maybe toughen up Goat Lords and deny access to them for an extra barracks level? For Gen units, they are a bit light

My opinions, obviously. I'm assuming that the Great and Eternal UndyingNephalim has plans for all, so we shall see...

i agree with all that. i'd like a mounted Rangers unit, pretty much a Non Hero version of Annara's cavalry unit. better than the basic mounted farmer unit, but obviously weaker than Annara's one. all female due to being a Ranger unit of course.

maybe since Rusl wants to make an Ordonian knight order, i say we give him one. not as tough as Hyrules of course, but more heavily armed and armoured than goatlords and horsemen.

then have the dismounted "Knights of Ordona" be their new heavy infantry.

the "Knights of Ordona" would be more knights in spirit then actuality. Knights of Hyrule fanboys, that decided to make their own order but really dont know what to do maybe?

**nintendo64isking** · July 09, 2012, 11:37 AM

anyone think onox would look cool with a ball and chain when he charges?

**Mjolnr839** · July 09, 2012, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by nintendo64isking

anyone think onox would look cool with a ball and chain when he charges?

speaking of ball and chains, and the people who weild them, anyone heard of Opus and his ALttP soldier faction submod? i always thought they would make a cool faction. maybe thats Nephs custom battle only one? him and Opus working together in secret?

**UndyingNephalim** · July 09, 2012, 11:45 AM

I'd not mind these guys somewhere:

Originally Posted by Ethereal Lancer 916

Stalfos
http://etheral117.deviantart.com/art...34221801&qo=12

I do like like that Stalfos one as I think I mentioned, what with him being more necromancer like and not just a mindless zombie (even though while alive he pretty much is a zombie that takes orders from Princess Zelda.) Apparently becoming undead had the opposite effect on Link then everyone else.

**Mattwensley** · July 09, 2012, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Mjolnr839

i agree with all that. i'd like a mounted Rangers unit, pretty much a Non Hero version of Annara's cavalry unit. better than the basic mounted farmer unit, but obviously weaker than Annara's one. all female due to being a Ranger unit of course.

maybe since Rusl wants to make an Ordonian knight order, i say we give him one. not as tough as Hyrules of course, but more heavily armed and armoured than goatlords and horsemen.

then have the dismounted "Knights of Ordona" be their new heavy infantry.

the "Knights of Ordona" would be more knights in spirit then actuality. Knights of Hyrule fanboys, that decided to make their own order but really dont know what to do maybe?

With less commited armourers and weaponsmiths, they would have to rely on skill and heart: High morale, Very effective charge, average/high stamina, but limited armour and hand-to-hand damage. And having a dismounted version kills two keese with one deku seed!

**Scar86** · July 09, 2012, 01:05 PM

What about a Kokiri Grenadier unit who throws Deku nuts?

And an on-foot version of Malon, who is recruitable by all factions. When I first got the chance to use her i was ecstatic, as she embodied everything I had been thinking about in regards to an "Anti-Hero" unit.

Needless to say, she scrubbed them heroes up! Hoo man.

**Duke Serkol** · July 09, 2012, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by nintendo64isking

anyone think onox would look cool with a ball and chain when he charges?

Hand raised here.
Especially if it's for a still living Onox.

Originally Posted by Mjolnr839

speaking of ball and chains, and the people who weild them, anyone heard of Opus and his ALttP soldier faction submod? i always thought they would make a cool faction. maybe thats Nephs custom battle only one? him and Opus working together in secret?

It's a conspiracy!

But seriously, last we heard of Opus he was having computer problems. He said he did not lose any of the data pertaining to this project but he did lose some of his stuff, so that may be why he hasn't been around much.

Originally Posted by UndyingNephalim

I'd not mind these guys somewhere:

...
Are you asking us to make a Lowder centric submod? WTFBBQ?!?!?1

Speaking of critters... Neph, I seem to recall the idea of having hunts against wild beasts packs consisting of various unaffiliated monsters from the series. Is that still in the plans (after the rethinking of the campaign)... or was it never and my mind is making things up?

EDIT:

Oh and how could I forget about these guys!

The four armed Stalmaster, Neph has already said he'd consider making him an undead four limbed fairy

And then...

These two.
I'd see them as either special units for Hyrule that can only be used to protect specific locations (related to the Triforce) or, perhaps, as Oocca units.

**mnviking** · July 09, 2012, 05:47 PM

I suggest to add mad scrubs to the decu scrubs to give a unit that would have higher moral for them.

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