WTF?!

[Gavani]

Playing a hot seat campaign using retrofit mod as Milan. It is late in the game and i have just recovered from getting excommed.

I wanted to call a crusade to help the other player (playing as Byzantium) deal with the Mongols by sending some speedy stacks over for a huge battle. But the only cities i can call a crusade against are my own?! I am not currently excommed and have high papal favour due to building lots of cathedrals.

Just for a laugh we saved the game and called it against me which resulted in instant excommunication.

What the is going on?

Why can't i call a crusade to one of the other cities? There is still one which is not Orthadox or Catholic.

Anyone else found this behavior?

[Ishan]

You should ask this in the retrofit mod section.

Anyways you need to provide a screenshot before anyone agrees with your claim because, i for one, don't believe that's possible.

[Gavani]

errr thanks for your.... no help isn't the word. Thanks for your scepticism.

I wasn't aware that i had to prove anything to ask for help but i will get a screenshot and show you that it is not only possible but happened.

[Ishan]

Well if it did indeed happen then it's obviously a glitch because technically if you're excomm'ed then you don't have enough papal points to actually get the option to request a crusade on a particular settlement and if you're not excomm'ed, and have enough points to call a crusade, then you can't call a crusade on your own settlement, because it's not possible to call crusades on catholic owned settlements (who aren't excomm'ed of course).

[Double A]

I imagine it's a hotseat-specific bug.

[Gavani]

See attachment. It is only a photo taken on my phone because for some reason my computer would not screen shot it but you can clearly see i am milan and it is my cities that are options for crusade targets.

How "impossible" do we think it is now?

[Unspoken Knight]

Well, I have never seen this bug before and cannot provide any good reason why it has occurred.

How very, very strange

[Gavani]

I don't really normally use crusades later on because it doesn't seem worth it. I wonder any later game players - if there are only catholic factions left in your game and you go to call a crusade do you get any options?

I guess what i am getting at is if there has to be an option. In my game there are only non excommed Catholics and Orthodox factions left. As i control Rome and was recently excommed does it mean it is picking my cities instead of nothing at all? Having said that though there is one rebel province so you would think it would pick that over one of mine!

Can't say i really pay attention to these things usually this late in the game.

I cannot surely be the first person to encounter this?!

It is not the end of the world or anything but i would like to understand what is happening to prevent myself from getting into this situation again if i can avoid it because i really want the movement bonus of the crusade to help the other human player with the mongols. (which i am doing anyway but getting troops from milan to russia takes ages!)

[Unspoken Knight]

Hopefully someone else can offer some feedback on this. As I said, I have never seen this myself. I can't recall ever hearing about this issue either. Have you modded Retrofit yourself or installed any sub mods? What other mods do you have installed? Perhaps another mod has changed vanilla M2TW and is affecting Retrofit in strange ways?

[Gavani]

Hopefully someone else can offer some feedback on this. As I said, I have never seen this myself. I can't recall ever hearing about this issue either. Have you modded Retrofit yourself or installed any sub mods? What other mods do you have installed? Perhaps another mod has changed vanilla M2TW and is affecting Retrofit in strange ways?

I haven't modded anything or installed any sub mods. ONly have retrofit mod installed.

[Ishan]

How "impossible" do we think it is now?

Sorry for doubting you my friend. Anyways like i earlier said, technically i as a modder can confidently say that there are no gaming files that can be modded to produce this sort of effect so it's indeed a glitch in your hotseat game or save file. Most of the stuff related to crusades is hard-coded.

And like Knight says, this is the first time i have seen something like this and i'm one of the highly active members of medieval 2 forums.

In the opening post you mentioned that you were excomm'ed earlier so perhaps when you recovered the game glitched on this occasion. There's a chat thread for hotseat players here, so you can talk to these hardcore players and see if anyone else have also encountered this problem.

Are you playing it with someone else on another computer or just playing HS mode with a single faction milan? Try to take control of another faction and then save and then re-control milan and see if the bug still exists.

[CeltiberoMordred]

I think this is not a bug. Let me explain.

As far as I know, it's not a matter of who owns the city: the cities that can be target of a crusade are set in data\world\maps\base\descr_regions.txt, where you can find a list of every city with the tag "crusade" below. Without that tag, no crusade is possible for a given settlement.

Jerusalem_Province
	Jerusalem
	egypt
	Arab_Rebels
	244 13 29
	crusade, jihad, horde_target, jerusalem, holyland
	5
	4
	religions { catholic 2 orthodox 48 islam 35 pagan 0 heretic 15 }

Anyway, I don't know why "Lisbon" can be a target of a crusade. Maybe the % of heretics/pagans/whatever is high and therefore there is any mechanism which allows it, I don't know. If someone can give any kind of feedback it would be very appreciated.

Regards.

Edit: I realized why Lisbon and others can be a target although they are not inluded in descr_regions. New settlements can be added if their factions are excommunicated.