[EB AAR] SenatusPopulusqueRomanus - Suspended Indefinitely

[joker8765]

"It appears to me noble Senatores, that some 'men' in this senate seem to change their policies faster than they change their togas! Moreover it seems as if their reasons for doing this are more in keeping with their own interests and their own power then the interests of the res publica as a whole. These men who so vehemently denounced my proposal to this Senate merely one session ago in regards to an invasion of Sicily and instead supported the exact opposite, voting for the invasion of Cisalpine Gaul. These same men who yesterday disagreed with an invasion of Sicily now appear to be pushing for exactly that! Now some in this Senate may say that I to am behaving as these men are. For although my support has changed in the opposite direction to theirs, have I not changed my policy from one of supporting a war in Sicily to a war in Cisalpine Gaul? To this I say 'MY' intentions have always been made perfectly clear to the members of this Senate, that I withdrew my support for a war in Sicily and continue to do so, seeing the discord it was sowing within this Senate. To these 'Senatores' of Rome who sit with us brave and honest Romans in this hall, I say they are merely seeking a war with Carthage to curry favour with the people using the wealth such a war with Carthage would inevitably bring and so increase their own power at the expense of the state. I also will remind this Senate of the strength of Syracuse and the Carthaginians which was recently brought to our attention by spies of the res publica and compare this to the strength of the peoples of Cisalpine Gaul. I shall let you decide which would be the more prudent and wise course of action. Finally may I say that now is the time for us to enact revenge upon these foul barbarians, whose ancestors long ago made the mistake of sacking our great city. Now is our chance to crush these Gauls, forever securing Roma from these barbarians and winning eternal glory for the res publica." Having made his impassioned speech against the cause of the new men which appeared to be pandering to the people, Tullius sat back down in his seat still roiling with emotion and hoped that his fellow patricians would join him in his cause.

[Warrior Cat]

Sorry I'm late. Twas school to blame.

This Roman Senate session is CLOSED.

List of currently active senators (anyone not on the list who thinks they are an active senator please PM me) :

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Warrior Cat: Senator Caticus Valerius
Hamilicar: Senator Hamilicar
Rex Anglorvm: Senator Anglorius
McScottish: Senator Caledonius
Bartozer: Senator Bartonius
Ganbarenippon: Senator Hibernicus
Tarem: Senator Tarem
Bob doad: Senator Manius Petronicus Seneca
EdwinMerit: Senator Tiberius Marcus Philo
joker8765: Senator Tullius
SrgDark: Senator Lucius Nero
Glorious Gandalf: Senator Claudius Gothicus
Mark-C: Senator Marcus Antoninus Caerosellius

If there is a tie in votes, Rex Germanicus will give an emergency vote to break it. Major proposals:

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1. Appoint Caivs Avrelius Cotta as general of the army that will attack Bononia. Proposed by: joker8765.
Yes: Warrior Cat, EdwinMerit, Hamilicar, McScottish, Glorious Gandalf, Mark-C,
No:
Neutral/Undecided:

2. Continue making economic buildings a priority to build in our cities. Proposed by: joker8765.
Yes: Warrior Cat, Glorious Gandalf, Hamilicar, McScottish, Mark-C,
No: EdwinMerit,
N/U:

3. After besieging Bononia, starve it for 3 to 4 turns to weaken the enemy garrison inside. Proposed by: Warrior Cat.
Yes: joker8765, Hamilicar, Mark-C,
No:
N/U:

4. After capturing Bononia, install Italian Regional control in it. Proposed by: Glorious Gandalf.
Yes: EdwinMerit, Warrior Cat, Ganbarenippon, joker8765, Hamilicar, McScottish, Mark-C,
No:
N/U:

5. Focus on building religious buildings such as temples instead of so much on the economy. Proposed by: EdwinMerit.
Yes:
No: joker8765, Warrior Cat, Hamilicar, McScottish, Glorious Gandalf, Mark-C
N/U:

6. Send a diplomat to establish an alliance with the Iberians so that we have potential help in our future war with Carthage. Proposed by: Ganbarenippon.
Yes: Warrior Cat, joker8765, Hamilicar, McScottish, Glorious Gandalf, Mark-C,
No:
N/U:

7. Use a policy of clemency against conquered foes, taking their riches in the forms of taxes and using their population in the Roman military instead of massacring them. (note: this goes in opposition to the 8th proposal below) Proposed by: McScottish
Yes: Glorious Gandalf,
No: Mark-C, Warrior Cat,
N/U:

8. Use a policy appropriate towards conquered foes, massacring, enslaving, or occupying settlements as need be. (note: this goes in opposition to the 7th proposal above) Proposed by: Mark-C.
Yes: Warrior Cat,
No: McScottish, Glorious Gandalf,
N/U:

Chronology of this AAR:

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272BCE: Taxes were raised throughout the Roman Republic. Taras was besieged by a Roman Legion. Illyrian pirates blockaded Arpi’s port. Peace was made between Rome and the Aedui. Peace was made between Rome and the Arverni. Taras was conquered by Rome.

271: Faction leader, Manius Curius Dentatus, of Rome died of natural causes. Economic buildings focus policy came into effect. Latin rebels arose in Latium. Troops were raised in Roma to combat the rebel threat. An Epirote navy blockaded Taras’ port. A new Roman Legion was gathered to attack Rhegion.

270: Rebels arose in the north of Italia and Samnite rebels arose in the south of Italia. Rome established trade rights with Macedonians, Greeks, and the Seleucid Empire. Rhegion was besieged by a Roman Legion. Rhegion was conquered by Rome.

269: Many senators traveled to Greece to see the Olympics. Many new senators arrived in Roma. A Roman Legion was dispatched from Rhegion to crush the Samnite rebels. More rebels arose in the south of Italia. Troops were raised in Arretium to combat the rebel threat in northern Italia. Taxes were lowered in Ariminum. The Roman Legion was defeated by Samnite rebels and retreated to Capua. A Roman force dispatched from Arretium crushed all the rebels in northern Italia. Senator Hibernicus caused a ruckus in the senate house with his drunkenness and is punished by the Pontifex Maximus. A Roman force dispatched from Capua crushes all rebels in southern Italia. A new Roman Legion was being gathered at Roma.

268: Ariminum’s government infrastructure is upgraded. Taras’ government infrastructure is upgraded. A Roman Legion is dispatched from Roma to attack Bononia.

267:

Political Parties:

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The Feline Party (also known as The Patrician Power Party). Leader: Senator Caticus. Other members: Senator Tullius, Senator Anglorius,

The Aequalis Mutaitonem Factionis Party (also known as The Barbaricus Sodalitas Party). Leader: Senator Caledonius. Other members: Senator Claudius Gothicus,

Will update this as the session continues.

[joker8765]

I Agree with proposals 3,4 and 6
I Disagree with proposal 5

[Gandalf.]

You missed me? Or is that just the feline party?

[Warrior Cat]

"Uh... Senator Tullius? What are you doing? Need I remind of the fact that I founded and am leader of the Feline Party (Patrician Power Party)?! The current stance of the FP is to subject the unwashed barbarians in the Po river valley. Rome needs a strong frontier. NO Rome doesn't need unwashed barbarians on her borders! So that is why we are here, the FP, to promote the conquest and subjugation of stinking Celts. Revenge for what they did to Roma hundreds of years ago? That would be good too. This war against the Celts living in the Po valley won't last long. And when it's done, the FP has plans. We shall plan war on the Qart-hadastim. It will come Senator Tullius, but have... patience." OOC: If you want to propose anything with in the FP, please PM me so it is secret. Also any senators who want to join the FP, please PM me. Thank you.

Edit: sorry Glorious Gandalf. No that is an old list of senators. Updated now with you on it.

[Gandalf.]

OOC: I was already here. The names Gothicus.
Claudius Gothicus.

[joker8765]

Senator Tullius seeing confusion on his previous speech stands "I apologise Senators Gothicus and Caticus if you perhaps misunderstood me, I in fact agree with your position and was speaking out against other senators who seem to have reversed their positions from just recently. I to agree we should attack Cisalpine Gaul before going after Carthage."

[Gandalf.]

He nodded.
I keep my proposal standing. We shall assimilate these Gauls once they have been subdued.
OOC:
I propose: the Gauls shall be fully assimilated (level I government building) into the SPQR.

[Gandalf.]

He remembers.
I also support the second proposal.

OOC:
Do we get elected to things like Consul etc?

[Hamilicar]

I Senator Hamlicar agree with propositions 1-4 and 6 I have always been a proponent of taking Cisalpine Gaul before taking on the mighty Carthage. Also I will always support improving economic infrastructure as it furthers both my personal and Rome's interests. Bononia can become a focal point in our defense in the Alps because of its central point and is some what behind lines.

[Rex Germanius]

He remembers.
OOC:
Do we get elected to things like Consul etc?

No, I represent all the magistrates of Rome, including both Consuls. Firstly, politicians held office prior to joining the Senate and, secondly, allowing Senators to control important positions would imbalance the game.

[joker8765]

While I agree that magistrate would seriously imbalance the game. I just thoutght that maybe we could elect a Princeps Senatus "First among equals" who would be invited to speak first on a topic in the senate and usually was quite influential. It could add a new dynamic to the AAR. Thoughts?

[Hamilicar]

No i dont think a Princeps Senatus is a good idea because we all are fairly independent/ many political parties wont work together.

Edit: Anyways why would we elect one? Other than as a title for one of our characters.

[Rex Germanius]

Quiet around here...
I'll take this opportunity to explicate my plan for the inevitable civil war:
All the resouces, armies, family members, and provinces will be divided amongst the competing factions, limited to, at most, three. I would prefer two. The amount of money each faction receives from the treasury will be determined by the number of settlements each owns and the collective revenue of the provinces. I'll devise a specific formula later. Factions can manage every facet of the game that an ordinary player can. The juntas will send me their orders for each year which will be executed according to the order submitted. They can form alliances and declare war on one another and foreign powers. Pitched battles will be handled in multiplayer. I'll organise a historical battle, designed to the specifications of the campaign, between players from each team. Armies will be modified in game and FM's deleted, or perhaps sent into hiding for a miraculous return to health. Siege battles require more effort but are being considered. Of course, the online battles necessitate a common EDU which I'll provide. Orders will be altered according to the need.

Thoughts, concerns?

[Warrior Cat]

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! How exactly would we do a civil war when Rome is one faction in EB?

[Rex Germanius]

Various cliques within Rome, such as the Feline Party.

[Warrior Cat]

Sounds very very complicated. I would prefer keeping things as they are. I want to see Rome rise up and conquer world under our leadership before a civil war tears it to pieces. Also: when is the next update?

[Rex Germanius]

1) You're no fun.
2) When more Senators turn out. Currently, a minority junta controls the Curia - completely unacceptable in a democratic government.

[Hamilicar]

Yes it does seem that no one besides I and the feline party have cast votes.

[Gandalf.]

I have.