PTOLEMAIC EGYPT - units roster

[KLAssurbanipal]

Ptolemaic Egypt in the 3rd century BC didn't look like at the time of Ramses. In those days Egyptian army looked like a Hellenistic state, similar to Macedonia, Greece and the Seleucids. In the previous part of game (RTW1) Egypt looked like in the Bronze Age.

Examples:

Ancient mosaic:
http://www.ancientbattles.com/ptolem...naSoldiers.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Palestrina.jpg

Ptolemaic cavalry:
http://community.imaginefx.com/fxpos.../original.aspx

Heavy cavalry and peltast:
http://community.imaginefx.com/fxpos.../original.aspx

Guards and Thracian mercenaries:
http://community.imaginefx.com/fxpos.../original.aspx

Hypaspist:
http://community.imaginefx.com/fxpos.../original.aspx

Phalangites:
http://www.livius.org/a/1/greece/phalanx.jpg

http://www.warlordgames.com/wp-conte...50-600x405.jpg

http://www.die-cast-models.co.uk/ima...e-8019_lrg.jpg

Ptolemaic 'Romanized' infantry:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...emaicArmy3.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...emaicArmy5.jpg
http://blogfiles.naver.net/data43/20..._ksk880831.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...aic/ptole5.jpg



Late Hellenistic phalangite:


by Peter Connolly


Regards,
KLA

[tone]

Agreed - one of my favourite depictions of Macedonian phalanx:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I have a good degree of confidence though that they'll get it right this time.

[Maurits]

I can do nothing but agree with this. Judging from the first pictures we've got and what CA's telling in these articles I'm confident that R2 will be much more historically accurate than it's predecessor. Therefore, I do not expect to see ancient Egyptians in 280 BC

[KLAssurbanipal]

Yes, it's also one of my (three) favorites.

[Caligula Caesar]

If ancient Egyptians make it into the game, I'm not buying it. It's just a too flagrant breach of reality, with no real possibility to correct it (since it is unlikely to be moddable, with the code only getting more complicated). I wouldn't be able to buy a game which is knowingly lying in such a manner. I can deal with it if they get things wrong, but fantasy like there was in Rome 1 can only be called a lie.

[neoptolemos]

If ancient Egyptians make it into the game, I'm not buying it. It's just a too flagrant breach of reality, with no real possibility to correct it (since it is unlikely to be moddable, with the code only getting more complicated). I wouldn't be able to buy a game which is knowingly lying in such a manner. I can deal with it if they get things wrong, but fantasy like there was in Rome 1 can only be called a lie.

THis

[windsupernova]

Of course, they had Native Egyptian auxiliaries anyways so the flavour is not really lost anyways.

[KLAssurbanipal]

Soldiers, 100 BC, detail of the Nile mosaic of Palestrina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nile_mosaic_of_Palestrina

[Kinjo]

Voted yes, but I would still like to see a little native influence on the auxiliaries so they look a little different to the other Greek rosters.

[Fabricus]

@Kinjo, if you look at the top of the Palestrina Mosaic you will see what I assume to be native auxilaries, maybe Southern Egyptians due to their very dark complexion? they would make a perfect base for those types of units.

@Tone, how can people say that the helmets in that picture you like aren't as cool as Corinthian helmets? I feel so alone in being attracted to the Hellenic period armor.

[Manuel I Komnenos]

The natives did not only serve as auxiliaries like in the Seleucid Army. They were enlisted into the phalangites corps.

[Fabricus]

I was refering to units that would outwardly "look Egyptian", not to the ethnicities of regular troops. Of course its kind of irrelevant since a lot of people seem want Egyptians from 2000 BC its not going to happen anyway.

[The Useless Member]

I don't know much about this...

But more units are better.

[Asgaroth]

Signed.

I would also like to see Ptolemaic Egypt's army greek fashioned.

The natives did not only serve as auxiliaries like in the Seleucid Army. They were enlisted into the phalangites corps.

Agreed.

Machimoi units were the natives as I remember.

[Sertorio]

Voted...Hellenistic units of course. For Ramses period units then we need a diferent mod.

[Aetius]

Worst part of RTW was those bronze age egyptians seriously do not EVER do that again. Ptolemaic Egypt is so fascinating in its own way. You could have the native core of landowning macedonians which are expensive and slow replenishing combined with many native egyptians auxiliaries and on top of that galatian and greek mercenaries from every part of the Mediterranean.

[Asgaroth]

Worst part of RTW was those bronze age egyptians seriously do not EVER do that again. Ptolemaic Egypt is so fascinating in its own way. You could have the native core of landowning macedonians which are expensive and slow replenishing combined with many native machimoi and on top of that galatian and greek mercanaries from every part of the Mediterranean.

Yes, they could have an interesting roaster with plenty of units as well as the Seleucid Empire.

[neoptolemos]

Worst part of RTW was those bronze age egyptians seriously do not EVER do that again. Ptolemaic Egypt is so fascinating in its own way. You could have the native core of landowning macedonians which are expensive and slow replenishing combined with many native egyptians auxiliaries and on top of that galatian and greek mercenaries from every part of the Mediterranean.

Yes, they could have an interesting roaster with plenty of units as well as the Seleucid Empire.

Precisely!!!!

[DavosSeaworth]

I cannot vote in the poll, but if I could I would vouch for the Ptolemaic Empire. Egypt was simply a travesty, the Battle of Raphia in RTW was about as historical as the battle of Helm's Deep.

[Sharpe]

I am praying for a decent representation of Thracian mercenaries, they were in great demand from all the powerful nations and were rightly feared.

High stats and high cost hopefully.

From what I have read CA have learned from their experiences and will produce a great game. I have every faith in them.