historical cities gadir,gades.

[Anibal at portas]

my city gadir for the carthaginians and gades for the romans is a very important city of the classic epoch an this city is the most ancient city of europe.
if carthage and rome will be accurate,gades must be accurate historical also.
that the developers of CA look at this video for inspiration in making the historic city properly.













the link with interesting video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6zPXFVgSPM

[Anibal at portas]

link with the history of the city gades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gades

[Biggus Splenus]

looks like your pretty passionate about this

I hope CA puts a lot of effort and research into the detail of all aspects of the game

[Anibal at portas]

ANCIENT PHOENICIAN CITY OF GADIR AND JEZEBEL’S SEAL FOUND

Steven Collins
October 14, 2007

The first two books of my four-book series on the history of the tribes of Israel discuss the very close alliance between the ten tribes of the northern kingdom of Israel and the city-states of Tyre and Sidon located on the ancient coast of Lebanon. Secular evidence records that the Greeks gave the name “Phoenicia” to this alliance of Israel, Tyre and Sidon. The Bible records that this alliance began during the reign of King David over all the tribes of Israel (II Samuel 5:11), intensified during the reign of King Solomon (I Kings 5:1-18, 7:13, 9:26-27, 10:11 & 22), and was still very strong in the reign of King Ahab after the northern ten tribes established their own kingdom with a capital of Samaria. When King Ahab married Jezebel, a daughter of the royal house of Sidon (I Kings 16:31), it confirmed that the alliance between Israel and the city states of Tyre and Sidon was being cemented by the intermarriage of their royal houses.

The “Phoenician” empire was actually the empire of the ancient kingdom of Israel, allied to the city-states of Tyre and Sidon. When the kingdom of Israel separated from the kingdom of Judah, Israel’s first king, Jeroboam, forsook God’s ways and embraced the pagan gods of Egypt and the Baal worship of Tyre and Sidon (I Kings 12:25-33). Jeroboam moved forcefully to sever the people of the northern ten-tribed kingdom of Israel from the southern kingdom of Judah by inventing new festival days, gods, etc. to ensure that contacts between the people of Israel and Judah were minimized. As the northern ten tribes allied themselves ever closer to Tyre and Sidon, their language, script, culture, religion, etc. became increasingly merged with that of Tyre and Sidon and steadily had less in common with the southern kingdom of Judah. Israel’s shift away from Judah and its embrace of Tyre and Sidon made the northern ten tribes increasingly “Phoenician” and less recognizable as “Hebrew” like the southern kingdom of Judah. However, the kingdom of Israel, with a large hinterland, was the dominant part of the Phoenician Empire. The city-states of Tyre and Sidon had a much smaller populations and could not maintain any “empire” status after the ten tribes of Israel left the region in exile.
The Phoenicians established a far-flung maritime commercial empire in the Mediterranean region, on the Atlantic coast of Europe, in the British Isles, in North America and elsewhere (as is abundantly documented in my books on this subject–see book links). One Phoenician city located on the coast of modern Spain was called Gadir (or Gades). Today the modern city of Cadiz is located at the site. The first link below contains a story on an archaeological expedition which is uncovering the walls and other artifacts from the ancient Phoenician city. The story notes that the original name of the city, Gadir, means “the fortress.” Vowels were not written in ancient languages of that time so the consonants were G-D-R. The Hebrew word with the consonants G-D-R (Gadar) means “close up,” “fence up” or “make a wall” (Young’s Analytical Concordance, 1978 Edition, Index Lexicon to the Old Testament, p. 16). The connection between the name of the Phoenician city, Gadir, and the meaning of the Hebrew word, gadar, is obvious.

[Anibal at portas]

looks like your pretty passionate about this

I hope CA puts a lot of effort and research into the detail of all aspects of the game

yes,CA has time and resources to make an excellent game very complete and accurate historically.

[Punic Hoplite]

Or at least make it so we too can make historically accurate cities via modding.

[Adreno]

A review suggests theyve hired historians that have traveled all over europe for this kind of thing and they have actual architects designing everything to great detail

[Anibal at portas]

this is a good news.

[Xerrop]

Just curious - what are this ruins representing?
Nothing Ancient I assume?

[cunctator]

It is the Castle of Sancti Petri, occupying the place of a former temple of Melqart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_of_Sancti_Petri

[Anibal at portas]

good information.

[Asgaroth]

A review suggests theyve hired historians that have traveled all over europe for this kind of thing and they have actual architects designing everything to great detail

Good to hear the news !

my city gadir for the carthaginians and gades for the romans is a very important city of the classic epoch an this city is the most ancient city of europe.
if carthage and rome will be accurate,gades must be accurate historical also.
that the developers of CA look at this video for inspiration in making the historic city properly.

I am sure that they will put it ingame as they told that the map will be bigger then the ROME I's map.

[Punic Hoplite]

I'm hoping it's filled in too, but not too dense. Rome 1 had a good standard map, though it could have used a few more cities here and there to make it not feel like the center of the world was Italy and Greece.

Also, I would gladly replace Corduba for Gadir on Rome 1's map. Hope it isn't as a riot fest too.

[Biggus Splenus]

Or at least make it so we too can make historically accurate cities via modding.

Don't get your hopes up

[Anibal at portas]

Gadir has more than 3000 years old.
Gadir is older than Rome.

[Rhaegar1]

hmmm Gadir isn't really in my top 20 list of citys that I want to look ubergood. I don't know how much time, money and energy CA is willing to spend on custom cities but initially I expect them to only custom make the capital cities of every playable faction as far as there is knowledge about. In addition to that, I expect for cities with iconic buildings like the statue of Rhodos or the lighthouse of Alexandria that they will also include these buildings in these cities.

I'm afraid Gadir doesn't really fit both of these requirements

[Adreno]

Also theres a good chance theyll release a new map editor and perhaps might make it easy to replace standard ones on the campaign map

[Biggus Splenus]

Also theres a good chance theyll release a new map editor and perhaps might make it easy to replace standard ones on the campaign map

I think the will definitely release one. If they released it for Shogun 2, they wont miss it for Rome 2, they know this game will be a much bigger and more anticipated title than Shogun 2